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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9492 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: November 15, 2013 to December 1, 2013
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area: Seri Indian Land


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any): Brian Loper
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 170 class
Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 160 class
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Lots of sheep on the ranch we hunted.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: US Air Airline Service: Excellent
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: None
Highlights of Hunt: Taking 2 sheep in 10 days.
Equipment Recommendations: Be in shape.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why?


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Paul Dachton
Contact Information: Tel. 904-794-0070 904-797-7478 - 3540 Lone Wolf Trail, St. Augustine, FL 32086 E-mail: pmd32086@aol.com
Hunting Experience: Over 40 years full time
Physical Condition: Fair


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL

I have just returned from a free range 2 sheep hunt with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters. In January, 2013 I hunted sheep for approximately one week and had to return to the U.S. for a previously scheduled knee replacement. Todd offered me a return trip at no charge for the 2013 season. I returned on November 15, 2013 and added an additional sheep to the hunt. This was going to be a 17 day hunt. In 10 days I shot 2 rams: a 170 class and a 155 class ram. I saw rams every day. The camp was an old farm house set up just for this sheep hunt. I had an American guide plus a Seri Indian guide and cook. For a sheep hunt it was A+. This was my 4th hunt with Todd Rice. I have already booked another sheep hunt for November, 2014 and will be returning on December 29, 2013 for mule deer.

A couple things I would recommend for anyone planning a sheep hunt: (a) Make sure you have an American guide or a Mexican guide who you can communicate with. On this hunt, I had an American guide plus a Mexican guide that spoke fluent English. (b) Plan your sheep hunt the beginning of the season. These sheep are in high demand and there are other outfitters and hunters hunting the same sheep you are. From what I have been told, poaching is common on a lot of ranches. In the near future, if something is not done to help these sheep, there will be no more desert big horn in Mexico in the coming years.

In Phoenix I spoke to the agriculture inspector at the port of entry concerning mule deer capes for this coming season. He told me that capes must be frozen for 24 hours with a letter stating that this has been done and they must be thawed enough to be inspected when you enter the United States. If a cape is completely frozen and they cannot inspect it, you will have to leave it at agriculture, and when it is thawed they will inspect it and then ship it to you.

E-mail from Paul Dachton to Barbara Crown and Tim Jones, May 4, 2014:

Over the past three years I have given positive reports on Todd Rice. Anyone that does any amount of hunting will find something that doesn't go right from time to time. On previous hunts, when there was a problem, Todd corrected it and made good on his promises. In November, 2013 I did a sheep hunt on Seri Indian land and took a good sheep. I was told that I could get my sheep and bring it home with me when I returned for a January mule deer hunt. In January, 2014 Todd told me that the paperwork was not ready. On March 20, 2014 I talked to Todd. He told me the paperwork was almost ready. On April 17, 2014 I emailed Todd concerning my sheep and received no response. On April 18, 2014 I called and left a message for him on his voice mail and received no response. On April 22, 2014 I started doing my own research concerning the whereabouts of my sheep. On April 23, 2014 I talked to one of Todd Rice's Mexican sheep guides. At that time the sheep guide told me he had 5 rams of Todd's that he was holding pending payment. My sheep was not one of them. On April 24, 2014 my sheep was located with the Seri Indians who I hunted with. They are holding it pending payment. I was told that Todd did not pay them for my sheep. The next day I received an email from Todd telling me that he is not the problem and the sheep guides are the problem. I emailed Todd and told him there was no need to call me and give me excuses. All I wanted was my sheep legally in the United States. As of May 5, I have not heard anything further from Todd Rice.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Now I and other sheep hunters have a picture that is worth $50,000. I would advise any hunter not to hunt with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters as you may be one of the ones that will be sitting at home looking at a picture instead of your trophy on the wall.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9111 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: February 27, 2013 to March 4, 2013
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area: Seri Tribal Lands


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any): Marco and Todd Rice
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 163 SCI
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Superb.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: U.S. Air Airline Service: Excellent
Airline Comments: Too costly on air fare and trophy shipment but only convenient carrier for me from Austin


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $40000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: See above Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: None.
Highlights of Hunt: Seeing multiple shooter rams.
Equipment Recommendations: Rifle with excellent long range ballistics and good optics
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? yes
Why? If you want a ram this is it


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: John Hoestenbach
Contact Information: Tel. 512-986-6098 - 3601 Fandango | Leander | TX | United States | 78641 E-mail: eyrepuppy@yahoo.com
Hunting Experience: Thirty years plus 15 years internationally
Physical Condition: Good


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9603 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: February 5, 2013 to February 12, 2013
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area:


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any):
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Average - Trophy Size: Good
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Took a great ram but never got it back from Todd Rice.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Poor Guide/PH Ability: Good
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care: Good
Name of Airline: Airline Service: N/A
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $30000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $900
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $1500
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Todd Rice never sent me my sheep. He finally said he sold more hunts than he had tags for. Was going to use 2014 tag but quit returning calls.
Highlights of Hunt:
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why?


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Carl Lohrer
Contact Information: Tel. 314-750-4121 - 1645 Grand Army Rd. | Labadie | Missouri | United States | 63055 E-mail: carl.lohrer@gmail.com
Hunting Experience: Have done lots of hunting all over
Physical Condition: Good


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? yes Notified Personal Guide? yes Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? yes
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? Cost of hunt.


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
E-Mail from Todd Rice to The Hunting Report, March 12. 2014:

In about 2009 Carl booked a mule deer hunt with me in Mexico. After the hunt he filed a report on the internet stating that the deer hunt was a bust. I called him and we agreed on another mule deer hunt at a huge discount. He came and hunted on one of my very best ranches. But he did not shoot a deer. That same ranch in 2013 we took a 204 B&C Mule Deer and this January 2014 we took a 228!

About a year later, Carl called me and asked if I would give him a huge discount on a Desert Sheep hunt. I asked why, he stated because the deer hunts had not been successful. I sell my sheep hunts for $ 48,000, but I agreed to do a hunt for at my cost or even less than cost. I agreed to a $ 28,000 sheep hunt. $ 14,000 to book and then $ 14,000 after he killed!!!!!

Last February 2013, I ran into Hector Pavlovich of Trophies Only Adventures. He and I had worked together in the past. He stated that he had a sheep tag on a great ranch and needed a hunter. We agreed on a price of $ 35,000. Yes I was going to lose $ 7000!! But Hector said there were big rams. And Carl and I had agreed that if his ram scored over 165, he would pay $ 5000 more. So I would only lose $ 2000.

The end result is Hector picked Carl up at the Hermosillo airport. Took Carl to the ranch. Hector's crew guided Carl to a + 165 ram. Hector Pavlovich of Trophies Only Adventures was paid by me $35,000 put into his Bank of America account. Hector dodged for months in emails about the CITES wasn't ready and that it should be any day to export Carl's ram. But as time passed, the truth came out. Hector never had a Desert Sheep tag. I don't know much more about the ranch name or location.

This is not the first time The Hunt Report has had Hector Pavlovich mentioned.!!!!!!

I'm currently pursuing Hector Pavlovich of Trophies Only Adventures in both a Mexico court as well as the USA.

E-mail from Carl Lohrer to Managing Editor Tim Jones, March 16, 2014:

I am responding to Todd Rice's response. To start with, I never had any contact, agreement or contract with Trophy Only Adventures. The first I heard of this outfitter was after the kill of my sheep. I was asked through translation if I would wear one of their hats for advertisement. A man named Marco Antonio, who was employed by Todd Rice, Sonoran Outfitters, picked me up at the airport along with another man that was the driver. Marco was with me on the entire hunt. He was the only one that could speak good English. In fact, he and I were alone when he spotted my sheep. My contract and payments were with Todd Rice (Sonoran Outfitters). I never paid any money to Trophy Only Adventures. I was introduced to a man named Hector at camp through Marco. Hector spoke no English and I was never told about any agreement between him and Todd Rice. After the kill, Marco Antonio told me I should expect my sheep in about 2-3 weeks. When I got home, I received an email from Todd Rice requesting a shipping address and $900.00 for shipping fees. After months of asking questions as to the whereabouts of my sheep, Todd finally admitted that he never had a tag for my sheep (Sept 19, 2013) and he texted me a picture of my sheep that was located at Marco Antonio's house. He said it was safe and I had to wait until November 2013 until the new tags were to come out. He would then get one and tag my sheep, and send it to me. After September 19, 2013 I never heard from Todd Rice again even after repeated attempts. That is when I resorted to getting the word out about what had happened to me and pursued filing a lawsuit. If you contact Randy Cramer, he will also tell you that Todd Rice tried blaming another outfitter (in court) for no tags for his sheep either. His email address is: randallcramer@yahoo.com and is phone number is 928.300.5007. If you need anything else from me please let me know.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9623 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: February 4, 2013 to February 8, 2013
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area: Hermosillo


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any): Todd Rice
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken:
Game Sought But Not Taken: Deer, Mule - Availability: no mature deer to be found- over hunted properties
Deer, Coues Whitetail - Availability: no mature deer to be found- over hunted
Javelina - Availability: Over hunted
Game Condition Comments: The deer were scarce, overhunted and the young ones left all had broken antlers. We tried to get Todd to move us, but he was too busy to care about his hunters. I switched outfitters on my last day to harvest a medium buck at Rancho Hunting to save my trip.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Poor Guide/PH Ability: Fair
Condition of Camp: Poor Condition of Equipment: Poor
Quality of Food: Poor Trophy Care: N/A
Name of Airline: US Air Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments: Good flights


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Too much for what you get Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Todd Rice was the problem. He is in it for the cash, not the hunters. Guarantees 100% opportunity and backtracks. He tells his clients he is too busy to move them to a different ranch or even discuss their problems with the hunt. Treats guides and clients unfairly.
Highlights of Hunt: When I met the outfitter from Rancho Hunting and switched camps. Guides came with me.
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why?


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: David Trinchero
Contact Information: Tel. 541-672-4555 - PO Box 177 | Roseburg | Oregon | US | 97470 E-mail: dtrinchero@aol.com
Hunting Experience: 35 years of hunting. 14 years as an outfitter and guide
Physical Condition: Fair to good


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? yes Notified Personal Guide? yes Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? yes
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
The ranches and over harvested, and the quality of game is very low. It seems like it has been years of poor management taking the ranches to this level. The guides informed me that their success rate is down to less than 10%, and Todd advertises 80%. I went during the time period he suggested and saw no shooter bucks.

I asked for my deposit back on a hunt that I booked for my wife and myself with Todd. I did not feel that I wanted my wife to hunt with an outfitter who did not take care of his hunters. He refused to return the deposit. He had it for one week. I booked the second hunt with his wife a week before coming to Mexico on this hunt.


Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9126 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: January 27, 2013 to February 3, 2013
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Hermosillo, Sonora
Hunt Area: SW Hermosillo, say 30 miles


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any): Todd Rice
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Coues Whitetail - Availability: Scarce - Trophy Size:
Deer, Mule - Availability: Scarce - Trophy Size:
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Way over-hunted -- 4 ranches


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Fair Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: USAir Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments: Going back, had to re-check rifle in Phoenix


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $4500
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Overhunted
Highlights of Hunt:
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why?


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Michaux Nash
Contact Information: Tel. 214-526-6611 - 3924 Fairfax Ave., Dallas, TX 75209 E-mail: michauxnashjr@anbpx.com
Hunting Experience: Excellent, Grand Slam #44
Physical Condition: Fair -- bad left knee and back and 79 years old


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? no Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? no
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
I hunted the last week of the season. We hunted on four different ranches, and it was clear theyd been hunted heavily. The guide was good. We used a pickup truck with a high seat like we use in South Texas. If the deer are hunted that way all season, they would have moved away from the roads. The properties are overhunted and need to be rotated. I did not see a good deer. I field scored the buck I killed at 101 inches. Saw one four point mule deer. Two young hunters in camp who could hunt on foot saw nothing, either. I had just gotten an arthritis shot which made me slow on the ladder.
 
On one ranch we drove for four to five hours and didnt see much at all.

E-mail from Todd Rice to Barbara Crown, 5/1/2013:

Hello Barbara

Here are some facts of Mr. Nash hunt. Also I have attached a statement from his guide.

1. MR. NASH KILLED A 107" B&C COUES BUCK ! THE BUCK IS GOLD MEDAL SCI. BOONE AND CROCKETT ALL TIME IS 110. THE BUCK WILL QUALIFY FOR THE BOONE AND CROCKETT AWARDS PROGRAM.

2. Mr. Nash is a very old grumpy man. I did everything I could do to keep him happy. I gave him his own bedroom at the ranch house, with a sepertate bathroom. My wife drove 20 miles oneway to buy him some wine and snacks that he wanted. After the hunt, my guides took him to town and spent a day with him showing him around. The next morning they picked him up at 6:00 am and took him to the airport. (His flight did not leave until 1:00 pm. But he insisted to be at the airport early) He tipped his guides a total of $ 200. YES, I said guides! After I saw how old he was, and realized how difficult he would be. I put TWO guides with him. Since he could not walk, I tried to hunt him from a high rack. He could barely climb into it. And when he had to go to the bathroom. He could not climb down. To be honest with you it was sad. I felt bad for the old guy. BUT, we continued to hunt him the best we could.

3. As far as the hunt and the ranches being over hunted. I hunted him on 4 different ranches. A total of 140,000 acres. As you will read in his guides statement. We put him on many B&C class bucks. My ranches are world class. I take B&C class bucks every year. This season on the same ranches Mr. Nash hunted. We took bucks 139,135,127,121,119 , 117 and 115. Thats 7 bucks in one season that will qualify for BOONE AND CROCKETT.

4. Im not to sure of all your customers. But I know Paul Dachton and John Hoestenbach are in your base. Paul has hunted with me. three years in a row. He has taken 9 mule deer with me. Last year he killed a 196 B&C buck. He is coming back next season again. John has hunted five years in a row. Two years ago he killed a 130 B&C coues on the same ranch Mr. Nash hunted. John is coming back again next season.

We at Sonoran Outfitters pride ourselves in running a first class company. We run a 47% repeat customer rate. But even as hard as we try, we can not make every hunter happy.

thanks

TODD RICE
SONORAN OUTFITTERS

Account from guide Jose Davila, included in Todd Rice's email to Barbara Crown. 5/1/2013:

My hunting with Mr. Micheaux Nash.

My name is Jose Eduardo Davila and i am working for Sonoran Outfitters with Mr. Todd Rice as a guide. On January of 2013 Mr. Todd Rice sorted me to guide Mr. Michaux Nash, And as soon I met my hunter I knew from the very first moment that hunt will be not easy at all. Mr. Nash is an 80-year-old man who wanted a 130 class coues deer, but with his physical condition this was not a easy thing at all.  I mean Mr Nash couldnt hike, see or walk.  I tried to show him about 10 very good deer -- I am talking about 105-110 class coues deer buck in the binoculars, but he could not see but 1 or 2 of them and he decided to pass on them. As soon as we saw his limits, we decided to try on high rack hunting but that idea was a nightmare. One day he fell, but I caught him before he hit the ground. He broke my shooting stick because he was using it as a cane. Finally he took a 107 class coues deer buck and we kept trying to get him another bigger one. We saw 2 or 3 more bigger bucks, but again he passed on them because they weren't a 130" buck. Mr. Nash did not want to bring his antlers and cape of his buck with him so we still have it. I have to say, I've been guiding for Sonoran Outfitters for 3 years and Mr. Nash was one of the most difficult men to hunt with.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9029 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: December 27, 2012 to January 17, 2013
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area:


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any): Brian Loper
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 198 and 175
Game Sought But Not Taken: Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Only saw two rams going over top of the mountain
Game Condition Comments: Good mule deer. Lots of 170 class and up. The sheep are overhunted.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: U.S. Airways Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Not seeing sheep
Highlights of Hunt: Seeing lots of 170 and up mule deer
Equipment Recommendations: None
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? yes
Why?


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Paul Dachton
Contact Information: Tel. 904-797-7478 - 3540 Lone Wolf Trail, St. Augustine, FL 32086 E-mail: PMD32086@aol.com
Hunting Experience: Over 40 years full time
Physical Condition: Good


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
This year I hunted again with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters. This was a desert bighorn sheep and mule deer combination. I was in Sonora for approximately 20 days. I got a 198 class mule deer and a 175 class mule deer. This year seemed to be one of the best years in a number of years, for mule deer. I passed on a number of 180 class deer because I was hunting a buck that would go in the 210 to 220 class. When I left on January 17, 2013 there had been 14 mule deer taken over 190 and 11 Coues deer taken over 110. I hunted sheep for approximately 1/2 the trip. I only saw two rams going over the top of the mountain away from us. I also saw a number of females and a couple young rams. On the sheep hunt I had my guide, plus two additional spotters. I hunted solely on the Seri Indian Reservation along the coast. Even with the additional spotters we were unable to find a ram. From what I can tell, the sheep are hunted fairly heavily. The roads around the mountains where we hunted sheep are well traveled.

Concerning safety in Mexico, this year we got stopped 8 times during my 3 week stay. Three times our guns were checked for serial numbers to confirm they matched our paperwork. On one occasion, the Federal Police looked at our noses to make sure we were not doing cocaine. I did not feel threatened on any of these police stops. On one occasion, one of the head police officers shook my hand and wished me luck. As long as you are traveling with all the correct paperwork and your serial numbers match exactly, you should have no problem.

Every year I have a number of hunters in camp surprised at the number of people they have to tip. Most of the time, you are hunting out of a high rack. Be prepared to tip the following people: your driver, an additional person who opens the gates, your guide, and on some occasions, you always have someone else whom you have no idea what they did, but at the end of the hunt their hand is out for a tip. Back at camp, be prepared to tip your cook, plus the one or two helpers.

At the airport you need to plan enough time to go through Customs, Agriculture, and Fish and Wildlife. This year Agriculture required that all capes be completely thawed out. Even though I had a signed letter stating that my capes had been frozen for over 48 hours, they would not let them go through. I ended up forfeiting them to Agriculture because I did not have time to fill out the paperwork to have them thawed and re-shipped after they were inspected. I flew out on a Thursday. When I hit Phoenix I had a 2-1/2 hour layover. At the Agriculture inspection I was the 9th one in line with approximately 25 other hunters behind me. There were 7 inspectors, all doing the best they could. By the time it was my turn to be inspected I only had 45 minutes to switch terminals and catch my plane. I know the hunters at the end of the line who had a flight leaving within 3 hours of their arrival probably did not meet their next flight. I am already booked for next year to finish my sheep hunt and to do another mule deer hunt.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 8568 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: January 15, 2012 to January 30, 2012
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area:


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any): Brian Loper
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Mule - Availability: Average - Trophy Size: (x3) 180-185 class
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: The days of everyone getting 180 class buck and up are over. Lots of small bucks under the 170 class.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Delta Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $9000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $10000
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $1100
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: tips Amount: $1500
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: none
Highlights of Hunt: Seeing 170-180 class bucks every day. Hunting in the Mexican desert.
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? yes
Why?


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Paul Dachton
Contact Information: Tel. 904-797-7478 - 3540 Lone Wolf Trail | St. Augustine | FL | 32086 E-mail: pmd32086@aol.com
Hunting Experience: over 50 years of almost full time hunting
Physical Condition: fair


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL



Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 8324 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: January 24, 2011 to February 5, 2011
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area:


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any): Mike Loper
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Coues Whitetail - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 127 5/8 SCI
Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size:
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Coues -- excellent, mule deer -- average.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: US Air Airline Service: Excellent
Airline Comments: US Airway -- good service, good schedule.


COSTS
Hunting Fees: reasonable Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $700
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: US Air charged $100/set of horns Amount: $200
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: None.
Highlights of Hunt: B &b C coues deer quality.
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? yes
Why? Good outfit all around.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: John Hoestenbach
Contact Information: Tel. 512-986-6098 - 3601 Fandango Leander, TX 78641 E-mail: eyrepuppy@yahoo.com
Hunting Experience: 35 years.
Physical Condition: Good.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Sonoran Outfitters Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9604 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: November 18, 2010 to November 25, 2010
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area: Kino Bay


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Todd Rice; Sonoran Outfitters. Tel. (253) 269-8789 ; Email: sonoranoutfitters@yahoo.com ; Web http://sonoranoutfitters.net/
Personal Guide (if any):
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Average - Trophy Size: 165"
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Saw a few sheep, not high quality but not poor either.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Poor Guide/PH Ability: Fair
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Poor
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care: Fair
Name of Airline: Airline Service: N/A
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Killed a nice sheep. Returned home with promises of trophy being shipped. Never happened. Been in court since. Settled on another hunt. Outfitter defaulted on settlement and now back in court. Outfitter never had a valid tag or permit for sheep that was killed.
Highlights of Hunt:
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why? Outfitter did not have a valid tag or permit for species that was hunted. Did not refund any nor follow through with court judgments against him.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Randy Cramer
Contact Information: Tel. 928-300-5007 - 16738 West Rio Vista Lane | Goodyear | Arizona | USA | 85338 E-mail: randallcramer@yahoo.com
Hunting Experience: Avid hunter
Physical Condition: Good


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? yes Notified Personal Guide? yes Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? yes
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? Have taken the outfitter to court. Outfitter defaulted on first settlement and currently awaiting judgement on default.


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
Lost Trust. The factual account of a terrible and disappointing experience with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters. October 18, 2010, I signed a Contract with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters to hunt Desert Bighorn Sheep in Sonora, Mexico. On November 18, 2010, I arrived in Kino Bay, Sonora for my hunt. November 19, 2010, I began hunting Desert Sheep and on November 24, 2010, I shot a nice 165 ram with dark horns, broomed off. He was 10 to 10 ½ years old. (Pictures of me and my ram are still on his website: sonoranoutfitters.net) November 25, 2010, I returned home, with Todd promising to deliver my Ram to me within 2 or 3 weeks. After 10 months of Todd Rice refusing to even communicate with me, I filed suit in Coconino Superior Court. We had our first Court Arbitration Hearing in Flagstaff on September 12, 2012 with Court Appointed Judge John Trebon. On October 12, 2012, Todd Rice offered to settle with me by providing the horns and cape from my ram into my possession from Mexico. Several more months went by with Todd Rice stalling and refusing to deliver my sheep. As it turns out, Todd Rice defaulted on this settlement, because he never purchased a tag for my ram prior to or after my hunt. Then on April 9, 2013, in front of Judge John Trebon, Todd offered a new settlement with me. This offer was another Desert Sheep Hunt in Sonora, Mexico. I was to arrive on February 2, 2014, and start hunting the next day. He also agreed to stipulations I asked for regarding this sheep hunt. If he failed to follow through, a judgment would be awarded to me for the cost of the original hunt plus attorney's fees and expenses. 

On December 3, 2013, I had not heard anything from Todd about my upcoming sheep hunt, so I sent him an e-mail. I explained that I needed to know the details of my hunt so I could purchase a plane ticket and make plans for my hunt. He responded right away, and said he would get back to me in a couple of days with all of the details. January 10, 2014, I had not heard from him, so I sent him another e-mail requesting the details of my hunt. He never responded. I began trying to reach him by cell phone, but he never answered or returned my calls. So, February 3, 2014 came and passed without a single word from him. February 4, 2014, my Attorney filed a Motion of Default against Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters in Coconino Superior Court requesting that a Judgement against Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters be completed. Hopefully, I will be able to recover all of the money I have paid out to Todd, along with other fees and expenses, so that someday I can go on another Desert Sheep hunt. I don't want another sheep hunter or deer hunter to fall victim to Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters. Randall L. Cramer, Sr. Happy Jack, Arizona

E-mail from Todd Rice to The Hunting Report, March 12, 2014:

In 2010 Randy Cramer booked a Desert Sheep hunt with me. The deal was $38,000. $8000 to book and $30,000 when he killed a ram. I was new to the sheep world in Sonora, Mexico. I had made a deal with a Lorenzo Tadeo. Lorenzo had a ranch with tags, that we could hunt for $30,000 per hunter. The money included everything, food, guides, CITES, gun permit and sheep tag.

I paid Lorenzo Tadeo $30,000 into his Wells Fargo bank account. Mr Cramer came and killed a nice ram. I saw the ram after Mr. Cramer had paid the $30,000 trophy fee as agreed. It was tagged and was being taken to G&F to be plugged. About a month later, I got a call from one of the guides. He had not been paid by Lorenzo Tadeo. He had the ram and wanted $5000 to give me the ram. Or he would sell it!! I made a trip from Arizona to Hermosillo. When I gave the guide the $5000 he gave me the ram. But the tag was missing!!!!

E-Mail from Randy Cramer to Managing Editor Tim Jones, March 15, 2014:

Thank you for reviewing my letter titled "Lost Trust", describing my terrible and frustrating experience with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters over the past three plus years. 
 
The Coconino County Superior Court has upheld my contention that I signed a legal contract with Todd Rice to hunt a Desert Bighorn Sheep in Sonora, Mexico. He took the money I paid him for this hunt. He has failed to fulfill his contract by not delivering the nice Ram I successfully took while on my hunt.

Despite the fact that Todd Rice offered me a settlement in front of the Judge on April 9, 2013, for another hunt which was to start February 3, 2014 in Sonora, Mexico, Todd Rice totally ignored me and defaulted on yet another promise to make things right with me. Interestingly, on February 21, 2014, Todd was advertising on his website two Desert Sheep tags for sale at discounted prices in Sonora, Mexico.

As for the Judgement, including the Motion of Default against Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters, I am still waiting for the Coconino County, Arizona Superior Court Judge to award a refund of $41,000.00 paid to Todd Rice and $16,815.13 in Attorney's fees and costs incurred since the beginning of this situation. As soon as I receive a signed copy of the total awarded judgement, I can forward a copy to you.

If Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters is really sincere in wanting to make me happy, he can refund me the $57,815.00 I am now out of pocket.

Best Regards,
Randy Cramer
Happy Jack, Arizona

---------------

The Hunting Report has acquired a certified copy of the Stipulated Agreement between Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters and Randall L. Cramer in the Superior Court of the State of Arizona in and for the County of Coconino completed April 9, 2013:

P R O C E E D I N G S
* * * * 
THE ARBITRATOR: Let's go on the
record now. My name 15 John Trebon. It is April 9 of 2013. and we are back in the arbitration of Cramer versus Sonoran Outfitters. et al., case number CV2011-Q0854. And I have been advised that the parties have reached a settlement.
MR. VAUGHN: And I believe we have. And I'm willing to dictate the terms of the settlement to try to ensure that we have an agreement and understanding of both parties. As you'll recall. the settlement was reached back in October of 2012 that the ram and cape be provided to Mr. Cramer as --
THE ARBITRATOR: The ram and what?
MR. VAUGHN: The horns and cape of the ram that was obtained by Mr. Cramer in his hunt of November 2010 was to be provided by Mr. Rice. Mr. Rice has indicated that that continues to be a problem and that he's been unable to do that. For that reason, the offer has been made by Mr. Rice individually and on behalf of Sonoran Outfitters, for the following resolution:
Mr. Rice has agreed that he would arrange a second hunt for Mr. Cramer. The hunt would cost Mr. Cramer the total sum of $6,000. Mr. Cramer would pay his own airfare and provide his own tip money, at his discretion, for the hunt. All other expenses associated with the hunt would be covered by Mr. Rice and Sonoran Outfitters. The arrangement would be that Mr. Cramer, once the hunt is concluded, would actually be able to physically take the horns and hide with him from the hunt on his return plane trip from the hunt in Mexico. Mr. Rice and Sonoran Outfitters would, as I said, be responsible for all other expenses, including tags, fees, lodging, and all other paperwork requirements, all other provisions for a hunt of this nature. The hunt would be in Mexico. It would not be what is termed a "high fence" property, and it would be at a location that is known to have 160 class rams or higher. The hunt would commence on February 3rd. 2014, with Mr. Cramer expected to arrive in Mexico by no later than February 2nd, 2014. 
MR. RICE: It was Sunday. the 3rd.
MR. VAUGHN: No, I think Monday was the 3rd, from what you told me before. The hunt would continue until a ram is taken by Mr. Cramer, meaning until he shoots and kills a ram of a 160 class or higher. Mr. Cramer would have the discretion to approve the guide who conducts the hunt, with such approval not to be unreasonably withheld. Mr. Cramer would be entitled to confirmation that the landowner has verified the tag and location for the hunt. And if Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters fail to provide the hunt as agreed to, or fail to provide the ram taken by Mr. Cramer in the hunt, then Mr. Cramer would be entitled to an immediate form of judgment from the Court. which grants him a judgment in the amount of the $41,000 original fee for his hunt, along with the $6,000 additional fee if he has paid that, for the second hunt, and for his full amount of attorney's fees incurred since the beginning of this matter, which, as of today. would be in the approximate amount of $12,000, non-inclusive of today's hearing. And I believe that's the entirety of the stipulated agreement. Our office will prepare a form of formal stipulation as well, to be signed by the parties and counsel, along with a form of judgment that would not be lodged with the Court unless and until necessary in February of 2014.
MR. GONZALES: The only addition I would have, which I don't think you had mentioned, that the hunt will begin in February and end when a ram is taken, or on or before the end of the season, which would be at the end of March or approximately thereto.
MR. RICE: March 20th. Unless I can get an extension.
MR. GONZALES: Yes.
THE ARBITRATOR: You could literally hunt for six weeks?
MR. RICE: Yes.
MR. VAUGHN: I don't think anybody sitting at the table anticipates that that would be the duration, but that is the agreement, if that's what becomes necessary. 
THE ARBITRATOR: Okay. So you're agreeing, then, that Mr. Cramer, if you don't immediately shoot a ram, to keep hunting until the end of the season?
MR. CRAMER: Uh-huh.
MR. VAUGHN: Is that a yes?
MR. CRAMER: Yes.
MR. VAUGHN: And we can confirm with both the parties? Mr. Cramer, did I accurately reflect on the record your understanding of the agreement between the parties?
MR. CRAMER: Yes. The only question would be the security behind the judgment. Was that agreed upon?
MR. VAUGHN: That's a separate issue. The terms as recited, are you agreeable to those terms?
MR. CRAMER: Yes
MR. VAUGHN: As settlement of this matter?
MR. CRAMER: Yes
MR. VAUGHN: Okay. May I?
MR. GONZALES: Yes.
MR. VAUGHN: Mr. Rice, did you hear all of the terms that I put on the record?
MR. RICE : Yes.
MR. VAUGHN: Did you understand those terms as I put them on the record?
MR. RICE: All except for the $6,000. You said $6,000 fee.
MR. VAUGHN: Yes.
MR. GONZALES: I think he's wondering when it's going to be paid.
MR. RICE: I want it paid after the ram, after the ram is killed and he returns to the United States with the ram, then I want the $6,000. 
MR. VAUGHN: Within what timeframe after he returns to the United States?
MR. GONZALES: 60 days? 30 days?
MR. RICE: Yeah.
MR. VAUGHN: So the additional term would be added to our settlement that Mr. Cramer is to pay $60,000.
MR. GONZALES: 6.
MR. VAUGHN: Thank you. $6,000, within 60 days after his return to the United
States, following the hunt in 2014.
MR. RICE: (Nodding.)
MR. GONZALES: Is that yes?
MR. RICE: I'm okay with that, yes.
MR. VAUGHN: And, Mr. Cramer, are you agreeable to that additional term?
MR. CRAMER: Yes.
MR. VAUGHN: In light of that additional term, Mr. Rice, did you hear and understand all of the other terms that were set forth?
MR. RICE: Yes.
MR. VAUGHN: And are you agreeable to those terms?
MR. RICE: Yes.
MR. VAUGHN: Has there been any coercion or duress to get you to agree to those terms today?
MR. RICE : No. 



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