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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On El Fuerte Outfitting Hunts |
Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.
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ID: |
4680 |
Weapon
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Rifle |
How
Hunt Was Conducted? |
Guided |
| Date
of Hunt: |
March 11, 2005 to March 19, 2005 |
| Place
of Hunt: |
Mexico Southern Baja Eijido No. 2 |
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OUTFITTER,
GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS |
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| Outfitter
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Ty Miller; El Fuerte Outfitting. 26501 Palisade Dr.; Capistrano Beach; CA; 92624; Email: tymiller@elfuerte.com; Web www.elfuerte.com, www.bajabighornsheep.com |
| Personal
Guide (if any): |
Jose |
| Booking
Agent (if any): |
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Trip
Arrangements
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GAME
DESCRIPTION |
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| Major
Game Animals Taken: |
Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: Green 171 2/8. |
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Condition Comments: |
Healthy. |
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SERVICE
RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor) |
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| Quality
of Outfit: |
Excellent |
Guide/PH
Ability: |
Excellent |
| Condition
of Camp: |
Excellent |
Condition
of Equipment: |
Good |
| Quality
of Food: |
Excellent |
Trophy
Care: |
Excellent |
| Name
of Airline: |
Aero California (LA to La Paz). |
Airline
Service: |
Good |
| Airline
Comments: |
No problems as long as you have proper firearms and CITES permits. |
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COSTS |
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| Hunting
Fees: |
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Amount: |
$40000 |
| Trophy Fees: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Permits/Licenses: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Commercial
Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Charter Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Other Costs: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
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SUMMARY
REMARKS |
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| Problems
of Hunt: |
None. Need patience with Mexican bureacracy. |
| Highlights
of Hunt: |
Sleeping under stars on mountain after taking ram. |
| Equipment
Recommendations: |
Take two rifles, take two pair of boots and sunscreen. |
| Would You
Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? |
Yes |
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HUNTER
INFORMATION |
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| Hunter
Name: |
Paul DeCleva, Jr. |
| Contact
Information: |
Tel. 214-922-8023 - 400 North St. Paul St., #1000, Dallas, TX 75201 |
| Hunting Experience: |
20 years. |
| Physical Condition: |
Good. |
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IMPORTANT
NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt) |
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| Notified Outfitter? |
Notified Personal Guide? |
Notified Booking Agent? |
| Seeking any
kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter
or guide? |
| If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? |
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ADDITIONAL
HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL |
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If you want to forego the daunting permit application process for Desert Bighorn sheep in the Western States and decide to reach out and buy a permit in Mexico, then Ty Miller of El Fuerto Outfitters should be a top priority consideration. He is a personable, hands on outfitter who delivers on his promises, namely, getting you through the Mexican permit process and in and out of Mexico as smooth as possible. He and his family live in Mexico year round. Please not that Ty does not book you until he physically has the sheep permit in his possession; that way, he is assured he can deliver on his representations. This procedure, however, may rule out some hunters who are used to booking one or two years in advance.
This is Ty's fifth year in the hunting business in Southern Baja (he has been running a sport fishing business in Loreto/Cabo San Lucas for over 8 years), and he has guided a total of 11 hunters in his two different hunting areas during that time. All hunters got rams, and good ones at that.
I hunted his southern area, Ejido No 2., located north of the City of La Paz. I was the fourth hunter to hunt sheep there in the last five years and I was the first to hunt the particular set of mountains where I took my ram on the third day of the hunt. He green scored 171 2/8 according to the official Mexican scorer in La Paz. I saw several other rams and ewes in this area (one other 160 plus shooter), so the population is there.
Another hunter I met in camp had just finished his hunt in Ty's northern area (near Loreto) and he took a 164 1/8 green score ram in two days of hunting. A third hunter also filled out on a 160 plus ram from this same area.
If you take a ram, allow 4 to 5 days for CITES permits, official scoring, trophy registration and paperwork for firearms you need in order to get out of the country. Patience is necessary, as you don't just leave when you take the ram. In that regards, I had no problems with LAX customs when I reentered the United States.
Ty's camp accommodations are rustic but very comfortable. The atmosphere is upbeat. Food consists of fruit, grilled beef, chicken or eggs with tortillas. Plenty of bottled water is hauled into camp and available for the hunter. The scenery is high desert country.
The guides are as good as any I've ever been associated with. Jose was my head guide, and his ability to spot and judge the sheep, pick routes for the stalk and produce for the hunter is amazing. Assistant guide Jorge was similarly amazing. The guides speak only Spanish, although Ty normally accompanies the hunters who are concerned about English/Spanish issues. Communication was not a problem.
This is an opportunity to hunt areas that are truly managed, which is not always the case in Mexico. Ty Miller's goal is to take only 160 or better Class IV rams. He pays his guides year round to patrol the areas and keep poachers out of there. He is trying to model his Conservation Program on the successful Biosphere area, although I believe his dedication to his hunters' success goes beyond any model.
He is passionate about his work and his enthusiasm is contagious. His guides take enormous pride in getting a hunter up the mountain and down the mountain safely with a mature Class IV ram.
Although I had "Mexicophobia" before I took this trip, Ty's previous hunters I spoke to assured me this would be a good experience, and it was. Be aware that permitting issues and government paperwork in Mexico represent frustrations beyond Ty Miller's control. He is, after all, an American doing business in Mexico and the barriers to entry there are real.
After you do your homework with other outfitters and references, check out El Fuerte's track record. I think Ty's past hunters will confirm my observations in this report.
My thanks to Hunting Report for identifying this hunt. When I ordered a Desert bighorn report compilation from HR, Ty Miller's name was prominently mentioned in a number of those reports. That's where my research begins.
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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On El Fuerte Outfitting Hunts |
Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.
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DATE
AND PLACE OF HUNT |
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| Report
ID: |
3988 |
Weapon
Used: |
Rifle |
How
Hunt Was Conducted? |
Guided |
| Date
of Hunt: |
February 13, 2004 to February 24, 2004 |
| Place
of Hunt: |
Mexico La Paz |
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OUTFITTER,
GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS |
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| Outfitter
(or safari company): |
Ty Miller; El Fuerte Outfitting. 26501 Palisade Dr.; Capistrano Beach; CA; 92624; Email: tymiller@elfuerte.com; Web www.elfuerte.com, www.bajabighornsheep.com |
| Personal
Guide (if any): |
Jose and Jorji |
| Booking
Agent (if any): |
Ty Miller; El Fuerte Outfitting. 26501 Palisade Dr.; Capistrano Beach; CA; 92624; Email: tymiller@elfuerte.com; Web www.elfuerte.com, www.bajabighornsheep.com |
Trip
Arrangements
(if self-guided): |
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GAME
DESCRIPTION |
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| Major
Game Animals Taken: |
Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: Class III |
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Condition Comments: |
Saw class III rams everyday - shot a 155 ram on the sixth day - hadn't seen anything larger - should be great in a year or two for class IV rams. |
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SERVICE
RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor) |
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| Quality
of Outfit: |
Excellent |
Guide/PH
Ability: |
Excellent |
| Condition
of Camp: |
Excellent |
Condition
of Equipment: |
Good |
| Quality
of Food: |
Fair |
Trophy
Care: |
Excellent |
| Name
of Airline: |
AeroCalifornia |
Airline
Service: |
Good |
| Airline
Comments: |
Food - mostly native foods - my weak stomach not used to spicy stuff. |
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COSTS |
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| Hunting
Fees: |
Discounted - normally $40,000. |
Amount: |
$32500 |
| Trophy Fees: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Permits/Licenses: |
Included. |
Amount: |
$0 |
| Commercial
Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$350 |
| Charter Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Other Costs: |
Tips. |
Amount: |
$0 |
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SUMMARY
REMARKS |
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| Problems
of Hunt: |
None. |
| Highlights
of Hunt: |
The best guides in five sheep hunts - they constantly looked out for me (cactus - rattlers, etc.) never left your side. |
| Equipment
Recommendations: |
Bring good glass. |
| Would You
Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? |
Yes |
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HUNTER
INFORMATION |
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| Hunter
Name: |
Tom Koerwitz |
| Contact
Information: |
Tel. 763-428-4250 - 5365 Radford Ave NE, Rogers, MN E-mail: thomastkoerwit@aol.com |
| Hunting Experience: |
Africa, Alaska, Canada, and the US. |
| Physical Condition: |
Fair, for the age of 64. |
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IMPORTANT
NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt) |
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| Notified Outfitter? |
Notified Personal Guide? |
Notified Booking Agent? |
| Seeking any
kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter
or guide? |
| If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? |
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ADDITIONAL
HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL |
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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On El Fuerte Outfitting Hunts |
Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.
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DATE
AND PLACE OF HUNT |
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| Report
ID: |
2753 |
Weapon
Used: |
Rifle |
How
Hunt Was Conducted? |
Guided |
| Date
of Hunt: |
February 16, 2002 to February 22, 2002 |
| Place
of Hunt: |
Mexico El Mechudo Ejida #2 |
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OUTFITTER,
GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS |
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| Outfitter
(or safari company): |
Ty Miller; El Fuerte Outfitting. 26501 Palisade Dr.; Capistrano Beach; CA; 92624; Email: tymiller@elfuerte.com; Web www.elfuerte.com, www.bajabighornsheep.com |
| Personal
Guide (if any): |
Jose Veles |
| Booking
Agent (if any): |
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Trip
Arrangements
(if self-guided): |
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| License
Required: |
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GAME
DESCRIPTION |
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| Major
Game Animals Taken: |
Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 160 B&C, full curl, 12 years old. |
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Condition Comments: |
Excellent area, camp and guides. Recently opened. |
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SERVICE
RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor) |
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| Quality
of Outfit: |
Excellent |
Guide/PH
Ability: |
Excellent |
| Condition
of Camp: |
Excellent |
Condition
of Equipment: |
Excellent |
| Quality
of Food: |
Excellent |
Trophy
Care: |
Excellent |
| Name
of Airline: |
Aero Mexico |
Airline
Service: |
Excellent |
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COSTS |
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| Hunting
Fees: |
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Amount: |
$5000 |
| Trophy Fees: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Permits/Licenses: |
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Amount: |
$30000 |
| Commercial
Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$689 |
| Charter Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Other Costs: |
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Amount: |
$2000 |
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SUMMARY
REMARKS |
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| Problems
of Hunt: |
Guides spoke no English. |
| Highlights
of Hunt: |
Beautiful area, unseasonable rain brought out many blossoms. |
| Equipment
Recommendations: |
Clothing and boots for 90 degrees. |
| Would You
Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? |
Yes |
| Why? |
Game, area, staff all excellent. |
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HUNTER
INFORMATION |
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| Hunter
Name: |
Mike Borel |
| Contact
Information: |
Tel. 925-937-8372 - 272 Castle Crest Rd E-mail: mike.borel@valent.com |
| Hunting Experience: |
Four continents, 35 years. |
| Physical Condition: |
Excellent. |
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IMPORTANT
NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt) |
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| Notified Outfitter? |
Notified Personal Guide? |
Notified Booking Agent? |
| Seeking any
kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter
or guide? |
| If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? |
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ADDITIONAL
HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL |
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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On El Fuerte Outfitting Hunts |
Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.
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DATE
AND PLACE OF HUNT |
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| Report
ID: |
2884 |
Weapon
Used: |
Rifle |
How
Hunt Was Conducted? |
Guided |
| Date
of Hunt: |
February 16, 2002 to February 23, 2002 |
| Place
of Hunt: |
Mexico Between Loreto and LaPaz |
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OUTFITTER,
GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS |
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| Outfitter
(or safari company): |
Ty Miller; El Fuerte Outfitting. 26501 Palisade Dr.; Capistrano Beach; CA; 92624; Email: tymiller@elfuerte.com; Web www.elfuerte.com, www.bajabighornsheep.com |
| Personal
Guide (if any): |
Jose Velis |
| Booking
Agent (if any): |
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Trip
Arrangements
(if self-guided): |
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| License
Required: |
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GAME
DESCRIPTION |
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| Major
Game Animals Taken: |
Sheep, Desert Bighorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 12 1/2 years old. 161 B&C. |
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Condition Comments: |
Excellent. |
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SERVICE
RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor) |
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| Quality
of Outfit: |
Excellent |
Guide/PH
Ability: |
Excellent |
| Condition
of Camp: |
Excellent |
Condition
of Equipment: |
Good |
| Quality
of Food: |
Excellent |
Trophy
Care: |
Excellent |
| Name
of Airline: |
AeroMexico Airlines |
Airline
Service: |
Excellent |
| Airline
Comments: |
On time, accomodating. |
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COSTS |
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| Hunting
Fees: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Trophy Fees: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Permits/Licenses: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Commercial
Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Charter Airfares: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
| Other Costs: |
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Amount: |
$0 |
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SUMMARY
REMARKS |
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| Problems
of Hunt: |
Only communication, but that was minor. |
| Highlights
of Hunt: |
See comments. |
| Equipment
Recommendations: |
Good boots and hot weather clothing. |
| Would You
Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? |
Yes |
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HUNTER
INFORMATION |
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| Hunter
Name: |
Mike J. Borel |
| Contact
Information: |
Tel. 925-937-8372 - 272 Castle Crest Road, Alamo, CA 94507 |
| Hunting Experience: |
Extensive. |
| Physical Condition: |
Excellent. |
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IMPORTANT
NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt) |
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| Notified Outfitter? |
Notified Personal Guide? |
Notified Booking Agent? |
| Seeking any
kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter
or guide? |
| If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? |
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ADDITIONAL
HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL |
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The hunt was on the Baja in Mexico, between LaPaz and Loreto. The country is beautiful. I had a chance at old yellow horned bachelor on the first day and blew it. Turns out the range was considerably longer than I thought. I was so excited I must have double pumped my rangefinder and it wouldn't work. After the first shot, the ram took off, and I took a running shot only to have the bullet hit the edge of a rock face 10 feet in front of me and blast us all with gravel shrapnel!
The ram I collected was on day five in a group of six. We spotted two of them from the top of one mountain around 8:30 AM. It took until 11:30 to get on their mountain and within 500 yards. We tried to close the distance but could not do so undetected, so we waited. We did get to watch two head butting contests, which was fun. At 2:30 all six were up and moving. If they went one way they would come to us, if they went another we would pursue them as soon as they went over the next ridge. Well, they split up with four coming our way, but our position wasn't as good as we thought. When they were out of sight we moved toward them. At 200 yards they came into view and I was ready. In fact, the other rams rejoined the group, so we were up to six again. Jose was holding up three fingers, I asked him if that was from the left or right? He indicated left (this sounds easier than it was as Jose did not speak English and I didn't speak Spanish). They were milling about and the best ram wasn't giving me a clean shot. About that time, they spotted us and got spooky. As they moved off, the ram I wanted gave me a clear shot, albeit quartering away, and I took it. Down he went, end over end. I reloaded and watched, then started to shake. I couldn't wait to get to the ram. We let the others get out of sight, which took 10 minutes but seemed like three hours.
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