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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Trophies Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 8588 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: February 18, 2011 to February 25, 2011
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area:


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Marco Fonseca; Desert Trophies. P.O. Box 7184; Nogales; AZ; 85628; Tel. (662)-264-2532; Email: marcos@deserttrophies.com; Web http://deserttrophies.com
Personal Guide (if any): Mex
Booking Agent (if any): ROGER GIESIGE; Stoney Creek Adventures,LLC. 10872 ST. RT. 115; OTTAWA; OHIO ; 45875; Tel. 419-890-7112; Email: stoneycreekadventures@gmail.com; Web www.stoneycreekadventures.com
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken:
Game Sought But Not Taken: Deer, Mule - Availability:
Game Condition Comments: One ranch had 4 hunters for a total of 12 days. Guides said they saw only two "shootable" deer. Neither I or the other hunters saw them.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: N/A Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: N/A
Name of Airline: United + Aeromexico Airline Service: Excellent
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Said it was a concellation hunt Amount: $5000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: 250 license, 150 gun rental Amount: $400
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Excellent guide and driver. Outfitter dropped us off and not seen again till he picked us up the morning we were going to leave. No one spoke English.
Highlights of Hunt:
Equipment Recommendations: Long pliers and tweezers for cactus.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why? Accurate but faulty rental gun. Outfitter didn't show in 2days as he said he would. One ranch "dead" The other adequate. Saw 2 "shooters" in 3 days.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Craig Bade MD
Contact Information: Tel. 1-616-399-8194 - 371 Waukazoo Drive | Holland | MI | 49424
Hunting Experience: Africa 11 times, Alaska 5 times, British Columbia 3 times, Scotland, New Zealand, Australia
Physical Condition: Average/Good


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? no
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? No, I had one opportunity and wounded it, mostly my fault.


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL

TO: The Hunting Report:

RE: The unfavorable hunt report tiled by Dr. Craig Bade on a mule deer hunt with Desert Trophies, Sonora, Mexico and Booking Agent, Stoney Creek Adventures.

I am George Brainard, the booking agent for this hunt. Dr. Bade has rated other aspects of his hunt as follows:

A) Condition of camps ~ Excellent

B) Quality of food ~ Excellent

C) Ability of guides ~ Excellent

D) Condition of equipment ~ Good

 

Which to me says he was pleased with most aspects of the hunt package. He states two issues he was not pleased about.

1) The number of shootable bucks seen:

Mr. Bade wounded a shootable buck and saw one other shootable buck. As most experienced desert mule deer hunters know, there are not a lot of deer per square mile there and some hunters do better than others, (Thats why we call it hunting not killing.)

However, the ones you do see are some of the largest found anywhere.

2)  A minor complaint regarding the quality of the rented rifle he used:

All I can say in that regard is that I have used several of his rifles and found all of them to be of the very best quality with top of the line scopes.

In fact, even though I am retired I am planning on returning next season to hunt with Marcos. Dr. Bade mentions not seeing the outfitter except to drop him off at his camp and then picking him up at the end. That is common practice there as he has several camps and he must take care of other hunters going and coming during the season.

As to Desert Trophies record, in the 15 years I worked with them they have maintained a

75/76% success rate on 170 B/C score or better on mule deer and approx 90% on Coues deer averaging approx 94" B/C scores and higher. Had Dr. Bade not seen a shooter, the outfitters normal policy is to offer a return hunt at a reasonable rate.

HOWEVER, DR. BADE WOUNDED A SHOOTABLE MULE DEER that could not be found after considerable effort to find it. It is possible that Dr. Bade had too high expectations for this hunt.

I thank you for allowing me to respond to this report and am always available to answer any other questions you may have regarding this matter.

 

Regards,

George Brainard

Formerly of Stoney Creek Adventures

4670 Royal Cove Drive

Shelby Twp., MI. 48316

PH/FAX: 248-651-4112

EMAIL: scadven@aol.c0m

Letter from Hunting Report Subscriber Pete VanderArk

Date Received:  3/6/2012

 

Hi Ben and Barbara,

Mr. George Brainard forwarded to me Dr Craig Bade's Hunt Report on Desert Trophies' desert mule deer hunt in Sonora, Mexico. Mr. Brainard had booked me on three different Sonoran muley hunts a few years back. The first and third with Marcos Fonseca, of Desert Trophies; and the second with the late Bobby Campillo. All three were lovely adventures with good accommodations, nice people, great food, and decent hunting. I could have written (but didnt) a similar report on any of these hunts, but would not have called them "negative." And I'm not sure Craig's report should be categorized as "negative" either.

Yup, the folks on those ranches don't speak much English. They're Mexicans.

Yup, there are not many big deer there. It's a desert.

On my first two trips I saw maybe one or two big bucks, but that's not unexpected in that area. I did see a very nice Coues buck, many other muleys, plus a few javelina and coyotes.

On my third trip, I finally smacked a big buck at well over 200 yards with one of Marcos' rifles, a Christensen Arms .300 Rem. Ultra Mag. I had been offered another rifle that didn't feel right to me, and was able to switch to a better gun. My buck measured 188 inches with one tine broken off. Anything pushing 200 is a monster, and I was very happy.

Thanks for letting me weigh in on this. I always appreciate your fair handling of hunt reports. Keep up the good work.

And by the way, I'm considering going back with Marcos next winter.


Your Loyal Subscriber,

Pete VanderArk

Grand Rapids MI


Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Trophies Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 8589 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: January 3, 2011 to January 9, 2011
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area: 50 Miles NW of Hermosillo, Sonora, MX


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Marco Fonseca; Desert Trophies. P.O. Box 7184; Nogales; AZ; 85628; Tel. (662)-264-2532; Email: marcos@deserttrophies.com; Web http://deserttrophies.com
Personal Guide (if any): Guero
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken:
Game Sought But Not Taken: Deer, Mule - Availability: In six days I saw 2 spikes, 1 small three pointer and three does. There were almost no deer on this ranch. It was a new ranch that our group had not booked or called.
Game Condition Comments: Pozo Nurvo. It was the worst place I've hunted in 15 consecutive years hunting Sonora. We asked to be moved to another ranch, but outfitter wouldn't move us.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Good Guide/PH Ability: N/A
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: N/A
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: N/A
Name of Airline: US Air Airline Service: Excellent
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $9000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Included Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: US Air Amount: $465
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Tips Amount: $600
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: No deer
Highlights of Hunt: Cook + food, Best I've ever had!
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why? Bad ranch!


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Lee Frudden
Contact Information: Tel. 970-222-4688 - 1424 Hilltop Dr | Windsor | CO E-mail: lfrudden@comcast.net
Hunting Experience: 55 years
Physical Condition: good


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? yes Notified Personal Guide? no Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? no
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL



Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Trophies Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 6029 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: January 24, 2007 to January 31, 2007
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area: West of Hermosillo


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Marco Fonseca; Desert Trophies. P.O. Box 7184; Nogales; AZ; 85628; Tel. (662)-264-2532; Email: marcos@deserttrophies.com; Web http://deserttrophies.com
Personal Guide (if any): Various
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken:
Game Sought But Not Taken: Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Lack of trophy animals.
Game Condition Comments: Very few shootable bucks in six days of hard hunting. Game scarce, hard-hunted.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Poor Guide/PH Ability: Fair
Condition of Camp: Poor Condition of Equipment: Poor
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care:
Name of Airline: Aero Litoral from Tucson to Hermosillo. Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $6000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $500
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $1000
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Extreme lack of trophy animals. Outfitter refused to relocate. Communication issues with non-English speaking guides who were good trackers but otherwise completely unaware of basic protocol such as getting out of line of sight for hunter, etc. Marginal equipment.
Highlights of Hunt: None, other than partial refund of $2,500. Getting back into the United States.
Equipment Recommendations: Standing shooting sticks a necessity while foot hunting Sonoran desert, as opportunities will likely be fleeting, offhand and over some cover.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? No
Why? My hunting partner and I were promised the "only two tags" on a 28000 acre ranch for the last week of the season. Ranch was supposedly unhunted prior to our arrival. Our booking agent from Wyoming who has been in country for two and a half weeks prior to our arrival never bothered to scout the ranch; had he done so it would have been apparent that it had been extremely hard hunted and game was sparse to non-existent. Conflicting ownership claims on the ranch apparently resulted in at least eight tags being issued. Outfitter failed to relocate us to a more productive area. We hunted two days in high racks on the poor property, then foot hunted a minimum of ten miles/day for the remaining four on the "home ranch". Nothing was as promised, outfitter and agent both failed to address any of the multiple problems, save by offering a partial refund at the end of the six day hunt if unsuccessful. Our permit was for a UMA which we never hunted. Guides could track but were unaware of how to get shooter in position, frequently blocking line of sight. At best this outfitter and agent are tremendously incompetent; at worst, active fraud was involved.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: James O'Neill
Contact Information: Tel. 307-265-9142 - PO Box 1126, Casper, WY 82602 E-mail: joneill@vcn.com
Hunting Experience: Over 40 years, all over North America, multiple trips ot Africa, Europe, Mongolia, Argentina, Mexico (but never again), etc.
Physical Condition: Excellent for 53 years of age.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
This was an astonishingly disappointing hunt, my worst ever. Leaves a sour taste concerning Mexico and the individuals involved. If anyone else is comtemplating going to Sonora for mule deer, do not even think about dealing with either of these individuals.

Rebuttal from Jerry Martin

Dear Hunting Report, I received your e-mail with regards to James O'neil's hunting trip last month in Mexico and thank you for the opportunity to respond. Although our computer will not pull up a copy of the complaining letter, I am aware of the dissatisfaction undoubtedly expressed by O'neil. I will state right up front that he had every reason to be unhappy. The hunt did not go as we expected or hoped but everything possible was done to appease him, but to no avail. O'neil and his partner, Dr Paul Jones, booked the hunt with me acting as intermediary for outfitter Marco Fonseca in Hermosillo, Mexico. It was our understanding the hunt would take place on a ranch that had not been hunted. This was not the case, the ranch had been hunted. After 2 days we were able to work out going to another ranch which had not been hunted ( I would point out here that the outfitter had clearly been duped by the ranch owner as to the non-hunted status of the 1st ranch and has unsuccessfully tried to get his lease fee back). O'neil and Dr Jones then hunted 4 days on the other ranch but were unsuccessful. Outfitter Marco Fonseca then refunded 1/2 of the cost of the hunt to the hunters which I think was very fair on his part, and also offered both hunters the opportunity to stay, free of charge, for an additional 2 days of hunting. I would also point out that 1) I did not receive any compensation nor did I ask for or expect any and 2) Marco Fonseca and I feel very badly about this issue but also feel everything was done to make it right for both clients. If you need any more input from me on this issue feel free to let me know, and in the interest of fairness and accuracy, if you would forward me a copy of the complaining letter it would be appreciated. Please mail to: Jerry Martin 3 Long Horn Dr Sheridan WY 82801. Sincerely, Jerry Martin

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Trophies Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 2613 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: January 2, 2000 to January 9, 2000
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Hermosillo, Sonora
Hunt Area: Northwest, Hermosillo.


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Marco Fonseca; Desert Trophies. P.O. Box 7184; Nogales; AZ; 85628; Tel. (662)-264-2532; Email: marcos@deserttrophies.com; Web http://deserttrophies.com
Personal Guide (if any): Marco A. Fonseca
Booking Agent (if any): Marco Fonseca; Desert Trophies. P.O. Box 7184; Nogales; AZ; 85628; Tel. (662)-264-2532; Email: marcos@deserttrophies.com; Web http://deserttrophies.com
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken:
Game Sought But Not Taken: Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Deer very scarce, and the outfitter refused to relocate us to another range or ranch area.
Game Condition Comments: Poor; deer (bucks) very small; ranch was too small to hunt, (only 3,000 acres).


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Poor Guide/PH Ability: N/A
Condition of Camp: Fair Condition of Equipment: Poor
Quality of Food: Fair Trophy Care: N/A
Name of Airline: Aero Mexico Airline Service: Excellent
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $6000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $600
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $350
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Lack of deer; small hunting area; hunt totally unorganized. We only paid outfitter our deposit and left his camp after five days. No communication with Marco, he totally left us unattended.
Highlights of Hunt:
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why? Marco was unorganized, he had poor, broken down equipment, no electricity and no radio.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: George Kalb
Contact Information: Tel. 702-365-5252 - 5670 Wynn Rd., Las Vegas, NV 89118
Hunting Experience: Alaska, Canada, Africa, South America, Australia.
Physical Condition: Good.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? yes Notified Personal Guide? yes Notified Booking Agent? yes
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? no
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
To: The Hunting Report From: Marco A Fonseca of Desert Trophies Re: Trip report by George Kalb Date: September 21, 2001



I received a copy of one letter Mr. George Kalb send to you and this is my point of view.

1) Some things are not correct like the booking agent was Frank Ruiz owner of Gabinos  Yaqui Valley Hunting.

2) The extension of the ranch was 4000 hectars (8800 acres), enough for two hunters.

3) You should know for hunt desert mule deer in Sonora, Mexico you must work very hard and some times you spend a week and you don't see a big buck, (you must walk).

The guides scouting the ranch 2 weeks before the hunters arrive and they report three good bucks in this ranch, but if the hunters don 't want to walk is not my fault. They walk the first morning and after that they don't want walk.

The Sonoran desert is not Africa, maybe you are reading some articles in the SCI magazine or in the Hunting magazine from Col. Craig Bodington, they said the true of the hunt in the Sonoran desert is hard and is not easy.

The average of success for mule deer in Sonora is 65% and is not possible each hunter got a big buck and if the hunters don't walk forget.

4) Mr. Kalb said was left unattended, but they have in the camp a cook, cook helper, two guides and one translator and I was three times in the camp in the five days.

If you want I can give to you name and telephone number of two booking agents who send me hunters in the last five years and they sell the hunts with the true, the hunter must work very hard and is not a easy hunt, come and see for yourself.

If I can help in anyway let me know.

Marco A Fonseca

E-mail: Marco@fonseca.uson.mx



Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Trophies Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 448 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: December 11, 1998 to December 15, 1998
Place of Hunt: Mexico - Sonora
Hunt Area: North East of Hermosillo


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Marco Fonseca; Desert Trophies. P.O. Box 7184; Nogales; AZ; 85628; Tel. (662)-264-2532; Email: marcos@deserttrophies.com; Web http://deserttrophies.com
Personal Guide (if any): Memo
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Coues Whitetail - Availability: Average - Trophy Size: Heavy 8 point to nine points.
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Outfitter hunts ranches that have had rain. All deer seen were in good condtion.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Good Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Aero Mexico Airline Service:
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: gun permits and licenses Amount: $2500
Trophy Fees: none Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $480
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: None!
Highlights of Hunt: Great tracking guides and wonderful food!
Equipment Recommendations: Good flat shooting rifle and be in the saddle most of the day, every day.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? Yes
Why? My son and I will go next year.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: John F. Landgraf
Contact Information: Tel. 915-332-5058 - 521 North Texas, Odessa, TX 79761-5131
Hunting Experience: I have hunted for many years in North America, Mexico, Canada, and Africa.
Physical Condition: 49 years old and good condition.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL



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