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Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 9074 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: December 18, 2012 to December 22, 2012
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Jeff Davis County


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Hunter Ross
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 170" - 180"
Sheep, Aoudad - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 30" - 32"
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments:


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Drove to ranch from Oklahoma Airline Service: N/A
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $12500
Permits/Licenses: Texas hunting license Amount: $315
Commercial Airfares: N/A Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: N/A Amount: $0
Other Costs: Gas and travel expenses Amount: $200
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Bad weather
Highlights of Hunt: Good friends and lots of deer
Equipment Recommendations: None
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? yes
Why?


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Gary L. McGee
Contact Information: Tel. 405-412-8836 - 5732 NW 132, Oklahoma City, OK 73142 E-mail: GLM5449@aol.com
Hunting Experience: 50+ years
Physical Condition: Fair


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 8436 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: November 13, 2011 to November 14, 2011
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Leoncita Ranch, Jeff Davis County


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): John Hamill
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Sheep, Aoudad - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 32" 13" Bases
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments:


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: N/A
Name of Airline: Airline Service: N/A
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt:
Highlights of Hunt: See Comments
Equipment Recommendations: See Comments
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? yes
Why? See Comments


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Jan Prinsen
Contact Information: E-mail: jprinsen@iae.nl
Hunting Experience:
Physical Condition:


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL

Aoudad Hunt Texas

Last week I hunted, accompanied by my wife, on the Leoncita Ranch, 104.,00 acres of free range hunting, in Jeff Davis County, Texas , base camp of Desert Safaris.

Originally the hunt was to be near Fort Davis but Hunter Ross, owner of the outfit, had the idea that it would be nicer for us to hunt from Leoncita. From Fort Davis it was just under two hours driving so we arrived timely enough for a drink and dinner.

The hunting camp at Leoncita turned out to be exceptionally comfortable, being used to mostly back pack hunting, this twice-daily showering hunt was a real treat!

For the first time in my sheep hunting career I used a weapon from the outfitter. Hunter gave me a Browning in 300 RUM,with a Swarovski 4/16x50 riflescope, and as much ammo as I needed to get acquainted to this weapon.

The terrain is not really difficult, with altitudes ranging from 3,600 feet to 5,000 feet, but good shoes are necessary because of the loose stones on the hillsides. I was guided by John Hamill, since 7 or 8 years guiding for Hunter.

On the evening of the first day, after having seen quite some sheep, we found a group of rams but they were warned of our presence by the wind. We decided to try to find these next day, coming from another direction.

Next day, with a light overcast sky and little wind we followed a trail going  upward, continuously glassing, well mostly John did , as I found these sheep very hard to find.

The first hours we only saw mule deer, even when we were practically at the top a rocky outcrop from which we had a view over quite some distance. We decided to hike further in the direction of the spot where we saw the rams the day before. In doing so we came through some shrubbery , and there it just happened.

One very good ram jumped, an other one stayed until I could take the rifle from my shoulder, put a cartridge in the chamber and shoot from 25 meters.

As it turned out he was in his 12th year, horns measuring nearly 32inch with 13inch bases.



Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 8067 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: December 26, 2010 to December 30, 2010
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Trans-Pecos


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Hunter Ross
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 170+ Typical
Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 160+ Typical
Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 160+ Non-Typical
Javelina - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: Three.
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: The ranch Hunter hunts for Desert Mule Deer is intensively managed for deer with dozens of protein feeders that are maintained year round. We saw "shootable" deer every day. The protein supplementation has resulted in deer with excellent mass.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Airline Service: N/A
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: For 3 deer plus 1 observer Amount: $21950
Trophy Fees: For 3 javelina Amount: $1050
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: None - Hunter is an excellent guide and a terrific host. The lodge is super comfortable - my wife spent four days in "camp" and enjoyed her time at the lodge. Food was excellent. Game was abundant - there are no shortage of deer to look at and select from.
Highlights of Hunt: Taking an exceptional desert mule deer with my muzzleloader despite heat (60-70 degrees) and wind (40-50 mph crosswind).
Equipment Recommendations: None - the terrain is rolling hills. Climbing is not strenuous and shooting is generally not long distance - I killed my deer at about 60-70 yards. My son Justin shot his at about 100-125 yards. My youngest son Nicholas had the longest shot at about 350 yards from sticks. It's cold in the mornings (around freezing) but warm in the afternoon - often in the 60s. Hunting is all spot and stalk "safari style". I brought my standard 8 power binoculars and wished I had 10s. Spotting game is not difficult, but you want to be able to accurately judge what you're looking at. The 8s are good for finding animals but not as good at helping you judge.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? yes
Why? This is a great hunt for a family. The likelihood of success is high. While only a canned hunt would be "guaranteed" - and this is certainly not a "canned" hunt - these deer are completely free ranging and the ranch is huge with no high fences and few fences at all - the deer are not spooky and can generally be approached without a lot of difficulty. There are so many deer that finding a "shooter" is not a challenge - the challenge is in setting a goal for yourself and then achieving it. My goal was to take a typical deer in the 165-170 class (or larger) with my muzzleloader. I'm very pleased to have accomplished that goal.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Thomas J. Cunningham
Contact Information: Tel. 312-443-1731 - 5220 Benton Avenue Downers Grove, IL 60515 E-mail: tcunningham@lockelord.com
Hunting Experience: Extensive- most NA species, Africa x 3, South Pacific.
Physical Condition: A prime speciman.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
I have now hunted with Hunter Ross of Desert Safaris four times. My sons and I have taken four pronghorn antelope, an aoudad sheep, five desert mule deer, and numerous javelina while hunting with Hunter. All excellent trophies with several record book qualifiers. I have consistently found Hunter to be very well-organized and to run a high-quality operation. I have hunted all over the United States and Canada, as well as Africa (three times) and the South Pacific for over 20 years and find Hunter to be one of the best operators I've dealt with. His accommodations are first class, food is excellent, the guides professional, and the trophies top notch. Hunter has excellent areas that he spends a great deal of time managing. His mule deer area is intensively managed with dozens of protein feeders. The deer are abundant. We saw shootable deer every day of our hunt. I will hunt with Desert Safaris again and would not hesitate to recommend others do the same.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 7855 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: January 24, 2010 to January 27, 2010
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Marfa


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any):
Booking Agent (if any): Steve Ellenson Outdoor Connection. Tel. 763-464-0690; Email: midnight@outdoor-connection.com; Web www.huntandfishworldwide.com
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken:
Game Sought But Not Taken: Sheep, Aoudad - Availability: We were confined to a small property.
Game Condition Comments: There was only one group of aoudad on this property and we chased that group for four days.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Poor Guide/PH Ability: Fair
Condition of Camp: N/A Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care: Fair
Name of Airline: Air Canada Airline Service: Fair
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $4500
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $45
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $700
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $700
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: The outfitter we booked with moved us to another outfitter without our knowledge. We did not get the hunt we had booked and paid for.
Highlights of Hunt:
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? no
Why? We were misled, did not receive the hunt we had booked and paid for and then the outfitter blamed others rather then himself when he made the decisions.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: R. Saunders
Contact Information: Tel. 709-489-7829 - 424 Grenfell Heights, Grand Falls, Windsor, NL, Canada A2A 2J2 E-mail: rsaunders@nf.sympatico.ca
Hunting Experience: 30 years with several trips to Africa. New Zealand as well as sheep and goat hunts in BC and NWT.
Physical Condition: Excellent.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? yes Notified Personal Guide? no Notified Booking Agent? yes
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide? no
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought? We would have considered going back to "make it right" but that is no longer possible.


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
Two other friends and I booked this hunt through a booking agent more than a year prior to the hunt date. We reviewed Desert Safaris website where it outlines free range aoudad hunts on 201,000 acres of private land with some rugged terrain. We were looking for a sheep type hunt and that seemed to be what this outfitter was offering. The website outlined a backpack type hunt in 4000-7800 feet elevations.

Two of our wives accompanied us and they toured the local area themselves while we hunted. This was all prearranged and discussed with the booking agent and the outfitter.

Prior to arriving at our hotel we were informed that the outfitter, Hunter Ross, was in Mexico. We were met at the hotel by a guide who arranged to meet us the next morning to begin our hunt. He also said that the outfitter, who he called "Wayne, was away for a couple of days but that would not be a problem. We did not think anything of it at the time but the next day we determined that this was another outfitter and not the one we had booked our hunt with. Our guide indicated that these two outfitters work together. We then thought that there was a partnership, but since we had no way to reach either of the outfitters we had to carry on.

One of my hunting buddies and I hunted with this guide (in truck) the next day and late in the day we located a group of about 30 aoudad which had two acceptable rams in the group. They were on a hillside and about 500-600 yards away. The guide said they were too far for a shot and we could not get up there. After some discussion my friend and I decided we should try to close the distance by walking another adjacent hill which we did very easily and my friend took one of the rams. Our guide was not prepared to walk up the hill and had no desire to walk at all and made that point clear to us. His idea of hunting aoudad was drive around these small hills and catch them in the bottoms or shoot long distances.

The next day we returned to the same property and drove the property all day, but saw only a small group of ewes.(This property was ranch land with small hills on either end of the property. We hunted the hills on one end which was about 1 square mile) on the third day, we returned to the same property and again drove around. We voiced our concern about not walking and not seeing any game. It appeared as if we could see almost all of the hillsides by driving the bottoms but the guide would tell us we did not know what was on the top, so my friend and I said we would climb to the top and we did, in less than 30 minutes. The guide would not climb and stayed in the truck. We did not see any aoudad on our hike but the guide did spot some aoudad later that afternoon, from the truck. It seemed clear that this was the same group we had seen two days earlier and that this was the only group of aoudad on this property.

It was on the third day of our hunt that we determined that we were definitely hunting with ANOTHER OUTFITTER, not Desert Safaris, and they were not partners. We were to meet this new outfitter that night for dinner as Hunter Ross was still hunting in Mexico. We met Wayne Wiemers that night and asked to go to another location to hunt our last day because there was a lack of game on the property we had been hunting. He said he could not do that because he had paid the land owner to hunt that property and if he went elsewhere to hunt then he would have to pay a second land owner and he would loose money. He took us hunting the next day and we drove the same property. He did say that if we saw any aoudad up higher on the hills we would climb to them. When we asked why we were hunting with him and not Hunter Ross, he said that sometimes Hunter turns clients over to him and he does the same. They are friends and help each other. We did see that same group of aoudad late in the day and this time there were no shooter rams in the group.

At dinner that night, we were joined by Hunter Ross, who had just returned from Mexico. We were very clear about our disappointment with the hunt and that we did not get what we had booked. We had been farmed out to another outfitter without any discussion and without our consent. We did not want a drive-around hunt especially on such a small property. He blamed the booking agent for the confusion but agreed that he had not told the booking agent that we were to hunt with another outfitter. He said he would make it right if we wanted to return. Once home, we contacted the booking agent and voiced our displeasure. He contacted Hunter Ross of Desert Safaris and reported back to me that Hunter had put us in this area because it was the best location for our wives to sight see. Why had he not discussed this with either of us or the booking agent? Why did he just move us to another outfitter without any discussion?

The booking agent told me that Hunter had agreed to have us return. He would guide us himself and all he wanted was to have us cover his "hard expenses." A good gesture for someone who had handled the matter wrongly and unprofessionally. When I contacted Hunter for the actual cost of the return trip his DEAL was only $250 off what we had just spent for the entire hunt, with the exception that $1250 of it was in the form of a trophy fee the second time around. If someone wants to cover their "hard expenses" a trophy fee should not enter into the equation. Hunter Ross mislead our hunting group. He blamed the booking agent. He blamed the fact that we brought our wives, which was the original arrangement. He offered to have us come back to "make it right" but in the end he needs to look in the mirror to find what went wrong here. We hunted free range aoudad where the aoudad were free range but we were fenced in! The booking agent in this case was also unaware the outfitter was going to make this switch and he did correspond with the outfitter on our behalf.

May 6, 2010 E-mail from Desert Safaris:

Thank you very much for this report and I will be getting back with you shortly on a response. Have a good week and take care.

Rebuttal to Hunting Report Complainant ( R. Saunders)

After reviewing the complaint submitted by Mr. Saunders, there are many discrepancies and unwritten facts that I will address pertaining to his free range aoudad hunt facilitated by my operation in January 2010.

I was contacted by Mr. Steve Ellensen of Outdoor Connection booking agency (www.outdoor-connection.com) who arranged and discussed the hunt prior to the booking with me and Mr. Saunders. I was informed that 3 hunters would be coming to hunt and two would have their wives accompanying them for sightseeing in the area and they wished to do a hotel hunt with the spouses sightseeing during the daytime while they hunted on ranch in the local vicinity. I have a property that fit the bill and was a 45 min drive from Marfa, Texas that would meet this criteria and all was agreed through the booking agent (Mr. Ellensen) and the trip was planned. The hunt was not booked over a year in advance as Mr. Saunders states as it was less than seven months ( please see original booking sheet provided from Outdoor Connection enclosed) booked on 06/30/2009 and hunt conducted on 01/23/2010. Mr. Saunders final payment was not received until after the conclusion of hunt and not forwarded to my operation until Feb 1, 2010(3 days after the hunt was over) by Outdoor Connection and technically by my policy he should have not set foot on the ranch because of payment default (please see attached final booking sheet and dates forwarded by Outdoor Connection). I was VERY clear that I would be running our mule deer hunts in Sonora Mexico during that time frame and my guides would be handling the hunt operations in my absence.

I was not at any time provided with a telephone number or email of Mr. Saunders only a mailing address and was instructed by Mr. Ellison he would be doing all communication, etc with client directly.

I never spoke with Mr. Saunders regarding his hunt or a single email transmission until after the fact. As far as Mr. Saunders concluding the hunt was "farmed" to another outfitter has 100% no validity whatsoever. I was not present at the hunt as stated to the booking agent that I would be in Mexico guiding and apparently my absence was a problem for him. I have a very busy operation and as every outfitter knows or who reads this knows we cannot guide every single hunt all the time. There was no outfitter switch as stated as Mr. Sunders claims and that is cut and dry.

The clients never contacted anyone until arrival at their hotel in Marfa, Texas and seemed to be very unclear from the booking agent who or what was going on at the time such as hunting method, ranch location, etc and were lead to be on a hardcore backpack sheep hunt. This would be virtually impossible to be conducted with their spouses sightseeing and wanting to return to a hotel every evening. If Mr. Saunders had contacted me prior to the hunt or if I had his contact information maybe this situation could have been alleviated. I personally hunt worldwide and have utilized booking agencies , yet have always contacted the facilitator of the trip well in advance to ask questions or finalize any details. I am not blaming anyone...just making a personal observation. Following is a direct quote from an email dated 02/03/2010 from Mr. Steve Ellensen (booking agent from Outdoor Connection), "In regards to the type of hunt they were looking for, I know we had talked about the types of hunts they had been on, etc., and I do know that you told me about the limitations in regards to the location of the hunt. In hindsight I should have been more clear with you about what they were looking for."

The property that was hunted by Mr. Saunders is located in the Davis Mountains with elevations exceeding 6000 ft with extremely rugged sheep terrain and encompasses 19 square miles (over 12,000 acres of private land). I find it an exaggerated statement that there were small hills on ranchland property that encompassed 1 sq mile of sheep habitat. Hunting report subscriber and world renowned hunter Mr. Mike Ambrose hunted this same property with the same guide and myself in March 2009 and has a very different outlook and opinion of the property and quality of game ( subscriber report # 7200).

On the second day of the trip, Mr. Saunders hunting partner took a mature 29" ram with numerous ram and ewe sightings daily. On the third day of the hunt, Mr. Saunders and his guide were driving through a canyon and upon approaching a water hole a group of sheep with a 29-30" ram crossed in front of them and stopped broadside at less than 150 yds. Mr. Saunders failed to connect twice with the ram resting off the hood of the vehicle and then missed a third shot at approx 200 yds moving away uphill. I have found this VERY peculiar why this has not been mentioned until now in any of his communications between the hunting report or me. After the conclusion of the hunt and after meeting me for dinner at a local restaurant, Mr. Saunders approached one of my guides (Wayne Wiemers) and solicited him to take him on another Aoudad hunt at a later date at a discounted rate....on the same ranch!!!! Wayne quickly declined and contacted me to tell me about this conversation which needless to say I was very upset about this unprofessional and unethical approach from Mr. Saunders. Wayne Wiemers will be providing a statement as well for this report about this incident on behalf of Desert Safaris and me .

In conclusion, being a business owner I feel the customer/client is right in most cases; yet I disagree in this situation. In light of everything, I offered Mr. Saunders on June 04, 2010 a return trip for a hardcore, 1x1 backpack sheep hunt for $2,000.00 with no hidden fees or costs which I would personally guide. This is over 60% off my published prices and this was a more than generous offer after having a great opportunity on a trophy ram and not connecting. Mr. Saunders then replied on June 13, 2010." I appreciate and thank you for the offer to hunt for a flat cost of $2000. I believe it to be an very good offer and I only wish that we had agreed on it in the first instance. I will have to get back to you as far as coming back there to hunt again because since I was there I have booked two other hunts and timing now is difficult. I will have no problem acknowledging your satisfactory offer. Are there any timelines with respect to this offer and I do realize that you cannot hold it indefinitely? I shall get back to you at a later date." This is a direct quote from his last email transmission.

My operation facilitated 42 Aoudad hunters from September 15,2009 to April 3,2010 with 41 hunters being successful. Mr. Saunders was my only client to go home without a trophy, yet I value my business and clients input tremendously and will leave a standing offer to return as noted above despite our differences in opinion to strive for 100% client satisfaction and success.

Respectfully Submitted, Hunter Ross Desert Safaris

Here are the booking sheets&.

Outdoor Connection  booking sheet info June 30, 2009

Desert Safaris 2935 Thousand Oaks, #6-217 San Antonio, TX 78247

Dear Hunter:

The following trip was booked by Outdoor Connection franchise owner Steve Ellenson of Minnesota. Enclosed is a check in the amount of $1,820.00 to be applied to the following reservation:

Party: Ray Saunders Address: 424 Grenfell Heights City, State, Zip: Grand Falls  Windsor Newfoundland, Canada A2A 2J2 # of People: (1 + 1 observer) Trip Dates: January 23-28, 2010 Species: Aoudad Trip Price: $5,200 Deposit Received: $2,600 15% Commission: $780 (retained) Check Enclosed: $1,820 (ck #85130 Previous Check: $ N/A Balance Due: $2,600 (Dec 23, 2009)

Please let us know if you have any questions regarding this reservation. Thank you.

Sincerely, Outdoor Connection Tracey Splechter

Outdoor Connection  booking sheet info February 1, 2010

Desert Safaris 2935 Thousand Oaks, #6-217 San Antonio, TX 78247

Dear Hunter:

The following trip was booked by Outdoor Connection franchise owner Steve Ellenson of Minnesota. Enclosed is a check in the amount of $2,525.00 to be applied to the following reservation:

Party: Ray Saunders Address: 424 Grenfell Heights City, State, Zip: Grand Falls  Windsor Newfoundland, Canada A2A 2J2 709-489-7829 # of People: (2) Trip Dates: 1/23-28/10 Species: Aoudad Trip Price: $5,200 Deposit Received: $2,600 15% Commission: $780 (retained) Check Enclosed: $2,525 (8902) Previous Check: $ 1,820 (8513) Balance Due: $75 (30 days prior)

Please let us know if you have any questions regarding this reservation. Thank you.

Sincerely, Outdoor Connection Angie Merkel

Rerebuttal from Ray Saunders:

In his rebuttal, Mr. Ross quoted my e-mail where I agreed his $2000 offer was a good one and I basically thanked him for it, and I stand by my e-mail that he quoted; it was a good offer and if offered firstly I would have accepted it. The hunting public needs to know that this was not the first and only offer from Mr. Ross. In March he offered a return hunt which was $350 off our original hunt price. I refused that offer and I filed my report with the hunting report. On May 6/10 the hunting report informed Mr. Ross of my report. Mr. Ross reconsidered his offer to me and on June 4, 2010 he offered a flat rate of $2000 for a return hunt. His condition to this offer was that I withdraw my hunt report. By this time I had booked other hunts and I asked him for some timelines to return. He never did respond to that e-mail. The second point is related to hunting with another outfitter as each of us were told on several occasions. I will extract my piece from my response to Mr. Ross' rebuttal. Mr. Ross states that my conclusion of the hunt being farmed out has 100% no validity. What is one to believe when the guide indicated to my hunting partner and I several times that he guided for Wayne Wiemers (Alamito Hunting and Guide Service) and at no time did he say he worked for Mr. Ross. He did say that sometimes these two outfitters help each other by shifting hunts between them. The guide of the third hunter in our party informed that hunter also, that he worked for Mr. Wiemers with no mentioned of being employed by Mr. Ross. When Wayne Wiemers gave us his business card it did not say Guide for Desert Safaris but it says Wayne Wiemers- owner and guide Alamito Hunting and guide Service. He also indicated during our first meal together (with 5 of our present) that he runs his own outfitting business and picks up Mr. Ross clients when he is over booked. This is the point where I asked to go to another property but he said he could not do it because HE had already paid to hunt the property we were on and it would cost HIM more money to go to another property. Thank you in advance for including these points so that there is no confusion as to the timelines and details of the facts. Mr. Ross is entitled to his rebuttal but he should not have a platform to include portions of e-mails and leave out other portions which do not serve his point. I shall also be in contact with the other hunters and impress upon them the importance of filing a report also. With kindest regards Ray

Rerebuttal from Steve Ellinson:

In review of all the back/forth on this situation with Desert Safaris and Mr. Ray Saunders, as the hunting consultant for this trip I would like to take this opportunity to offer my take: First, I have booked a half-dozen hunts or so for Mr. Saunders and the other two members of his hunting party over the last five years. These gentlemen are seasoned hunters, and not afraid to get after it whatever their quarry might be. I have never had a situation like this come up with any of their prior or subsequent hunts, and the three of them have always been fair, honest, and upfront. In fact, the same group of three hunters did a hunt in October to BC, and got "beat" by the animals as Ray eluded to in his response to Mr. Ross' rebuttal, giving the BC outfitter very high marks for his operation, personality, and dedication to his clients. Mr. Saunders was upset with the type and lack of the degree of difficulty of the hunt. Ray and another hunter in their party had their wives accompany them on this hunt, as they came directly from the SCI show in Reno. This was discussed with Mr. Ross when we were setting up the hunt in the spring of 2009. It was decided at that time that the location of the hunt would take place near Marfa, TX as that was the best place for them to get a good hunt, and so that their wives could enjoy themselves at a nice hotel with all the amenities and activities that could be had. I would like to make it clear that Mr. Ross made it a priority to accommodate the wives and make them feel welcome. He did not do or say anything to make me or my clients feel that having their wives accompany them would be a liability in any way. In fact, we had several discussions on how great it would be if more people did this type of thing together. He went so far as to offer a tour guide for them to see the area, and provided them with a list of things to do while they were there. We (Mr. Ross and myself) did discuss this in great detail, and he indicated that he had other areas that would provide a more challenging, remote hunt, but that the wives would be holed up in a po-dunk hotel somewhere with nothing to do. We decided that the location near Marfa would be the best for all the parties involved. I did mention the location situation to another member of the party, but it was not made a big deal of at the time, so it wasn't discussed further. I do take exception to Mr. Ross saying that he never received my clients contact information, therefore he could not contact them to discuss the details of the hunt. I emailed Mr. Ross on June 10th, 2009 at 10:15pm a copy of Mr. Saunders and one other member of the party's contracts, including well-wishes on his new baby, and the third member's contract was emailed ten days later at 9:29am. Mr. Saunders mentions that he filled out a copy of Mr. Ross' contract--how would he have received that if Mr. Ross didn't have his contact info? I forwarded these emails again to him on February 3rd, 2010 to remind him that they were indeed sent, and his response was "The only documentation that I received was the ones that I scanned and emailed to you yesterday." Referring to the booking sheets from my home office that include the clients name, trip dates, and monies received/included from the client. For every trip I've booked in my seven years as an Outdoor Connection franchise owner, I have shared the client information with the outfitter very early in the booking process, and send them a copy of my contract to make sure that it has everything laid out the way it should read, and specifically so that the outfitter has the contact info of my clients. In regards to the accusation of the hunt being "farmed out," there are a couple of things I'd like to address. Mr. Ross informed me a few weeks before they arrived that he would be in Mexico on his Mule Deer hunts. He always referred to "his guides" when addressing who to meet, where, etc. He never gave any indication that there would be another outfitter taking care of my clients. I am still not entirely clear on Mr. Wiemers' and Mr. Ross' business arrangement, and can only offer this: If Mr. Wiemers had never brought up that he was indeed an entirely different outfitter, this issue of "farming out" the hunt to another outfitter would have never surfaced. The two of them should know that things can get misconstrued, and perhaps if he had presented himself as an employee of Desert Safaris it would have eliminated that part of the issue. Outfitters employ other outfitters from time-to-time, especially if they operate in different parts of the state/province, or other countries in this case, but they usually present themselves as working for the contracted outfitter. To address the payment issue, there were some issues with Mr. Saunders check being drawn on a Canadian bank instead of a US bank, and when I received his final payment it was sent to my home office in Burlington, KS and they take care of sending the payment to the outfitter. Mr. Ross was notified that the payment was received by me, that it had to go through the proper channels, and would be received by him in a timely manner. The actual hunting situation for Mr. Saunders and his hunting partner did upset me a bit. I learned after they returned that the guide they had would rarely leave the truck, and that they actually went it alone for an afternoon. On the day that Mr. Saunders hunting partner harvested his sheep, it was only after they coaxed the guide out of the truck to go up a hillside for a better view of a group of sheep. When they finished caping the animal, Mr. Saunders had to pack the cape/horns off the mountain as the guide said he could not do it. This is what they were paying for as part of the "field care" in their contracts, and it did not happen. In summation, I can only say that this hunt has proved to be a learning experience for all of us involved. Mr. Saunders and the other hunters are still discussing future hunts with me, and Outdoor Connection is still booking hunts for Mr. Ross. As for myself I have always taken great pride on the attention to detail I provide my clients about the hunt, and the same with providing my outfitters with the expectations of my clients. Thank you for the opportunity to respond to this matter. Steve Ellenson

Rebuttal from Wiemers of Alamito Hunting and Guide Service:

In response to complaints about an aoudad hunt by Mr. Ray Saunders and his two friends, the following more accurately reflects the details of the hunt. The particular ranch that Mr. Saunders complains about (only two of the three men hunted there) is rough terrain with mountain peaks reaching elevations of over 6,000 feet. We call them mountains, as listed on various types of maps, and not hills, as Mr. Saunders indicates. Mr. Saunders stated that he was an outfitter in Canada, so one would think he checked the geographical make up of the area prior to booking the hunt. Mr. Saunders claims, it seemed clear this was the same group of aoudads we had seen two days earlier and this was the only group of aoudads on the property. How he is able to recognize aoudad as the same animals he saw before is something we as guides are not able to do.

Mr. Saunders fails to mention that he missed an aoudad ram three times and continuously stated that they (the three hunters) did not want to shoot over 200 yards. Most shots at aoudad in the Big Bend area are considerably longer.

Mr. Saunders also fails to mention that one of the hunters saw plenty of rams but did not shoot over 200 yards. In fact, the hunter was shown a good ram at one point, fired and missed the ram, killing a ewe instead. That particular hunter, on a different ranch, was not upset about any part of the hunt.

At no time during the hunt did Mr. Saunders nor his friends complain about wanting a tougher hunt until the final night at dinner. That night, after speaking to Hunter Ross, Mr. Saunders came over and wanted to book directly with me on his next aoudad hunt. I informed Mr. Saunders that he was a client of Desert Safaris, and he would have to talk to Hunter Ross. Mr. Saunders informed me that I did not understand, and that he intended to book another aoudad hunt with me instead of Desert Safaris. I politely told Mr. Saunders that we did not do business that way in West Texas.

I do not know Mr. Steve Ellenson with Outdoor Connections (Saunders booking agent), who says I should never have brought up the fact that I was an entirely different outfitter. Misrepresentations are not the way I do things. When a hunter has a question, we give an honest reply. Hunter Ross asked me to guide for him on this particular hunt, and I enlisted the help of two men that normally guide for me in my business. Two men went with one guide to a ranch and one with another guide to a separate property. I have guided for Hunter Ross in the past, as he has for me.

No one in the outfitting or guiding business wants a hunter to go home unhappy. Everyone understands there are times when one will leave empty-handed, but that does not mean we didnt give it our best effort.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

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DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 7588 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: November 23, 2009 to November 25, 2009
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Trans Pecos


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Hunter Ross
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 187 B&C.
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Well-nourished.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Airline Service:
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $6000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $76
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Gas. Amount: $65
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt:
Highlights of Hunt: Taking a great 190 class Texas Desert mule deer after years of trying.
Equipment Recommendations: Boots suitable for sheep hunting. You may have to climb some slopes. Warm layers for late November and December.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? Yes
Why? I have known hunter and his wife for more than 7 years. He is a man of fine character and unquestioned integrity. He is redefining mule deer hunting in the U.S. through his high protein feeding program for these deer. Soon they will rival mule deer fron Sonora. It is all on a low fence 100,000 acre ranch of unbelievable beauty. I have taken a 33 inch aoudad and a 17 inch pronghorn with Hunter also. I have heard Craig Boddington recommend him on his television shows, but I know the man personally and I could not recommend any outfitter higher.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Terrell McCombs
Contact Information: Tel. 210-821-6523 - 37 Westelm Circle, San Antonio, TX 78230 E-mail: tmccombs@mccombshq.com
Hunting Experience: 40 years worth, from Texas and Mexico to Alaska and Canada and abroad from Tanzania and Botswana down to Namibia.
Physical Condition: Good.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
This is perhaps the best free range hunt for desert mule deer in the United States. Thanks to Hunter's feeding program, his deer will soon begin to outclass the big desert mulies from Sonora. He may take a 200 inch deer this year.

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DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 7624 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: November 23, 2009 to November 25, 2009
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Trans-Pecos


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Hunter Ross
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Desert Mule - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 188 B&C.
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Average weight: 225 pounds. Very healthy deer.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Airline Service:
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $6000
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $64
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Gas. Amount: $80
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt:
Highlights of Hunt: Taking a high 180's desert mule deer buck in the rugged and beautiful Trans-Pecos mountains of Texas.
Equipment Recommendations: Good sturdy hiking boots and a flat shooting rifle which you shoot well.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? Yes
Why? This is one of the best kept secrets of mule deer hunting in America. Hunter Ross is helping to re-invent mule deer management. This is a low fenced hunt and he uses 46 protein feeders to supplement to diet of the deer. It takes approximately 50,000 lbs.+ of feed per month on this beautiful 125,000 acre ranch to keep the program going. However, the results are well worth it. These are wild deer and can be very wary, but the combination of supplemental feeding and plenty of ranch water sources has created a mule deer heaven. Hunter is being very selective on the number of animals harvested annually and the results speak for themselves. No one thought this would work for mule deer as it does for whitetails, but work it does! These smaller bodied desert mule deer are starting to grow racks which rival their Colorado cousins! I have seen it and I am a believer now, as is Craig Boddington and many other past clients. Ten years ago a 170 B&C buck was a monster in the Trans-Pecos, but not anymore.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Terrell McCombs
Contact Information: Tel. 210-821-6523 Ext 241 - 37 Westelm Circle, San Antonio, TX 78230 E-mail: tmcombs@mccombshq.com
Hunting Experience: I have been fortunate to have hunted over much of Canada, Alaska, Mexico and the Rocky Mountain West. My wife and I have also hunted in Tanzania and Botswana in Africa.
Physical Condition: Good.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
This is a very special hunt in a very special place. The rugged mountains of the Trans-Pecos are strikingly beautiful. I have known Hunter Ross for a long time and he is ethical and will only subscribe to fair chase methods. The lodge on the ranch would be an envious home for most of us. He also has a gourmet cook who really knows how to take care of hunters. In today's hunting world, it is a good value. We spotted my buck, as he loped out of sight, from a jeep trail. An hour long stalk ensued and we finally jumped him out of his bed around mid-morning. I was lucky and took him down with a running shot at 195 yards. Just because they are fed protein does not mean they are not wild deer. The lodge, in addition, is a great place to take a non-hunting spouse. They will enjoy themselves in this spectacular land of 100 mile vistas.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

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DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 7200 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: March 19, 2009 to March 23, 2009
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Valentine, Texas. Muerto Springs Ranch


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Hunter Ross
Booking Agent (if any): Global Adventure Outfitters. 77 Sugar Creek Blvd Center; Suite 400; Sugarland; TX; 77478; Tel. 281-494-4151; Email: goainc@gmail.com; Web www.mbogo.net
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Sheep, Aoudad - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: Excellent.
Game Sought But Not Taken: Sheep, Aoudad - Availability: Sheep was wounded and lost.
Game Condition Comments: Great trophy rams, very challenging hunt. These are great sheep to hunt.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Good Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Continental Airlines Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: Wounded and lost aoudad.
Highlights of Hunt: Stalking west Texas high country for these great sheep. Losing my sheep was a disappointment but I will be going back more than once.
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? Yes
Why? It is a great sheep hunt. Use GAO to set this hunt up and direct the outfitter to your needs. He has several ranches and varied accommodation options.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Michael Ambrose
Contact Information: Tel. 713-805-4937 - 52 Crestwood Circle, Sugarland, TX E-mail: mvambrose@caldive.com
Hunting Experience: Worldwide and often.
Physical Condition: Good - should have been better. This is tough.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

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DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 6596 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: December 3, 2006 to December 7, 2006
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: West Texas


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Hunter Ross
Booking Agent (if any): San Miguel Outdoors. 6705 Hwy 290 W Suite 502-197; Austin; TX; 78735; Tel. 512-891-7787; Fax: 512-891-6575;Web www.sanmigueloutdoors.com
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Deer, Mule - Availability: Scarce - Trophy Size: 144 inches.
Sheep, Aoudad - Availability: Average - Trophy Size: 33 inches.
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: No big mule deer were seen by myself or my hunting partner, it appears that the deer on this ranch, at this time, just qualified as good representatives at best. I saw very few aoudad, but myself and my hunting partner both took 33 inch rams.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Poor Guide/PH Ability: Poor
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care: Poor
Name of Airline: Airline Service:
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $7750
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: The hunt I booked was a 1X1 hunt, when we arrived Hunter Ross insisted that the hunt was 2X1. The outfitter didn't know when we were supposed to arrive, although we had an itinerary from San Miguel Outdoors, and wasn't prepared. The outfitter was extremely unprofessional.
Highlights of Hunt: 33 inch aoudad.
Equipment Recommendations:
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? No
Why? Bad hunt. Unprofessional outfitter. Outfitter drank heavily in my presence. Poor communication between outfitter and booking agent.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Eric Arnette
Contact Information: Tel. 903-677-5995 - 4693 Stonebridge Lane, Athens, TX 75751 E-mail: texascash@embarqmail.com
Hunting Experience: North America, Canada, Alaska, Africa.
Physical Condition: Excellent


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
This hunt was not what it was represented to be on multiple levels. It was a very unprofessional operation, with an outfitter that had absolutely no desire to improve the situation. Hunter Ross (the outfitter) is very quick to blame the situation on anyone but himself, but ultimately he is the one in charge of Desert Safaris, whether he wants to take responsibilities for the shortcomings or not.

Rebuttal from Hunter Ross of Desert Safaris:

Thank you for informing me of the recent hunt report submitted by one of your subscribers, Eric Arnette, who hunted with my operation, Desert Safaris, in December 2006 for a combination mule deer/aoudad sheep trip booked through San Miguel Outdoors.

I have built my full-time hunting operation on trust and by providing a solid hunting experience to our clients. With a 70 percent repeat client base, serving over 150 clients annually since our inception in 1994, the integrity of my operation is evident. I feel that the customer is always right and have based my business from this; yet this was not the case with Mr. Arnette during his trip and his subsequent false accusations against my business.

Mr. Arnette had booked his trip through a booking agent (San Miguel Outdoors) and prior to his hunt and arrival on ranch neither I nor any of my representatives had ever spoken to or communicated in any way with Mr. Arnette or his hunting partner. Some of his miscommunication could have been easily resolved if he had contacted me prior to his hunt to go over any last minute details or scheduling conflicts and he chose not to do so.

Problems experienced with Mr. Arnette during his trip were as follows:

1) Upon arrival at ranch, client (Mr. Arnette) was already drinking (after driving) and showed up one day earlier than his itinerary showed.

2) Hunt was booked as a 2X1 (6 day hunt) with Mr. Arnette and his partner, yet after his arrival insisted that he would hunt 1X1 or there would be a problem and became very aggressive. Though I was reluctant to do so, he was granted a 1X1 hunt as well as his hunting partner. Neither had to pay our published 1X1 hunt fees to avoid further confrontation for fear of his erratic behavior.

3) I personally guided Mr. Arnette during his hunt and we even let him hunt that evening he showed early. He took a respectable 4X4 mule deer the day he arrived early at ranch. I showed him a mature buck that was a good representative for the area and he elected to harvest this animal and told me he was extremely pleased being his first mule deer and thanked me countless times. I have guided mule deer hunters commercially for over 15 years and am 100 percent confident in my judging abilities as an outfitter and Mr. Arnette elected to harvest the animal he took and made the decision to shoot without hesitation.

4) The following day I took Mr. Arnette out on the ranch in pursuit of an aoudad sheep. Within the first four hours of sheep hunting, he saw 13 rams and harvested a 33 inch gold medal sheep by noon the first day. I have a hard time believing that he only saw very few aoudad when we saw seven mature rams over 30 inches in ½ day of hunting. He took his ram, an exceptional trophy, only hours into his hunt. I am very confused about the allegations he has made about our game quality when he received the exact package and trophies he paid for in his hunt and only hunted two out of his six hunting days before filling his tags, plus harvesting an additional trophy hog that we did not charge him for on the trip.

5) Mr. Arnette was very arrogant and argumentative with not only my employees, but other clients as well as this made for a very uncomfortable atmosphere in camp. His behavior dampened the mood considerably and made numerous people at our lodge uneasy.

6) Mr. Arnette also explains in his hunt report that game care facilities were poor during his hunt. We bring in all harvested game to a game pole and immediately skin, cape and quarter all trophies and put them into a freezer. This was what was done with his animals. I am also confused as to what he expected as such a remote location as we have on the ranch.

7) Mr. Arnette also explains in his report that I had no desire to improve the situation with his hunt. I was totally and completely unaware that there was a situation with his hunt and he never addressed to me or any else in camp that there was a problem or situation. He inaccurately states that he had contacted me about an issue he had. Mr. Arnette had never had contact with me about any discrepancies during or after his hunt or departure until now (12 months later). He left our camp in good spirits, shaking hands and thanking everyone countless times during his departure.

8) Mr. Arnette says that I was drinking heavily in his presence. I treat all clients with the utmost courtesy and professionalism or would not be in business as long as I have and am outraged at these allegations he is making. This is a cheap shot to do anything to make me or my operation look unprofessional. Mr. Arnette was drinking as much or more than any other client in camp and like I stated earlier he showed up in at the ranch while already drinking and driving.

9) Mr. Arnette states that our game quality was scarce on the 104,000 acre ranch that he hunted in the short two days of his six day hunt. We typically show clients 35-50 mule deer bucks daily on this ranch and I don't know what was represented to him from another source, yet we have high deer numbers for desert animals and feel like at this point there is no pleasing Mr. Arnette no matter what the scenario was going to be at that point in time.

10) Mr. Arnette is establishing a track record wherever he hunts and is fueled by being negative to hard honest working outfitters for whatever unknown reasons. The previous month, Mr. Arnette hunted with some of my competitors on a trip that provides some of the top hunts in the area with great trophies and five star lodging. He continually complained and bad mouthed their operation and game just like he has done with this trip. I am also aware of a recent international trip he took and completed and then demanded his monies refunded after he harvested animals and returned home.

I am disheartened by these serious allegations Mr. Arnette has conveyed and wish there was something myself or my employees could have done to appease him. If he would have addressed me accordingly we could have tried to troubleshoot whatever concerns he had and tried to correct it at that time.

If anyone would like additional information or like to speak with me about this situation please contact me and I'll be glad to help in anyway possible or provide additional input that may be helpful.

Hunter Ross

Additional comment from Eric Arnette:

I'm not sure how you would expect me to respond further. Mr. Ross likes to paint a very nice picture of himself and his operation. I was not as impressed by it as he seems to be. As you know, some hunts are good and some hunts are bad, and the more you go on the more of each you will see. This was a bad hunt, and I reported it just like I have the good hunts. Mr. Ross's letter is exactly as I expected it to be...another string of false statements.

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DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 5674 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: October 6, 2006 to October 7, 2006
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Trans-Pecos Region/Davis Mountains


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Sid Davis
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Pronghorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: Two, over 14 inches.
Javelina - Availability: Average - Trophy Size:
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: Very high quality pronghorn. This was my second hunt with Desert Safaris and it won't be my last.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: American Airlines. Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments: I have never had any trouble with American. On my return this time my connection through DFW was very tight - about 20 minutes. I did not expect my bag and gun case to make the connection - I barely made it myself sprinting through the airport. I was pleasantly surprised to see that both bag and case made it, however. Although I have no complaint about American, my experiences with TSA have been widely varied depending on the airport and the individual involved. This time Chicago proved to be no trouble at all. They x-rayed my case, asked me for my key, locked the case and I was on my way. But in Midland-Odessa (where you would expect an easier time when it comes to checking firearms) I had to open the Tuffpak, unpack all the clothes packed around my soft cases, remove each rifle, open the bolt to show the TSA representative that the rifle was unloaded, and then load it back up - all at the ticket counter while a line of people waited behind me. That's the first time I have ever had to do that although on several occasions TSA has at least opened my gun case to look at the rifle (but never handle it) before closing the case and locking it.


COSTS
Hunting Fees: $2950 each. Amount: $0
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: $300 for mine, $6 for my 9 year old sons. Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $0
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: It was over too soon.
Highlights of Hunt: Seeing my 9 year old son take a beautiful pronghorn and seeing the look on his face when he crawled out of the heavy brush tugging a big javelina behind him.
Equipment Recommendations: I used my standard .30-06 with no trouble. My son used a Remington 700 youth model in .243 Winchester - also a perfect gun for a youngster to use for pronghorn. Both of us used bipods on our rifles. Mornings can be cool, so a jacket or down vest is a good idea. Afternoons are generally warm. Good optics - you'll look at a lot of pronghorn and you need to be able to see the detail on their headgear to choose the one you want.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? Yes
Why? This is a well-organized operation run by good people. Hunter Ross is very concerned about his hunters' experience and strives to make sure that everyone is not only successful but has an enjoyable time. I also strongly recommend this hunt for people hunting with children. It is not strenuous, does not require taking children out of school for more than a day, and offers a high success rate for a really high quality animal. The pronghorn on the ranches Hunter hunts are not spooky at all and are very approachable for reasonable shots. Both of my boys had excellent, excellent experiences with Desert Safaris that have really cemented a love for hunting in each of them.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Thomas J. Cunningham
Contact Information: Tel. 312-443-1731 - 5220 Benton Avenue, Downers Grove, IL 60515 E-mail: tcunningham@lordbissell.com
Hunting Experience: I have hunted for the past 15 years all over the United States as well as in Canada and Africa.
Physical Condition: Excellent, but irrelevant for the hunt described in this report.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
On October 6 & 7, 2006 I returned to the Trans-Pecos area of West Texas to hunt pronghorn antelope with my 9 year old son, Nicholas. Texas is not one of the states usually associated with trophy antelope, but I can assure you that there are some very, very good antelope to be found there. Two years ago my older son Justin and I hunted antelope in the Alpine area with Desert Safaris, an outfit operated by Hunter Ross. Justin was 10 at the time and that was his first big game hunt (see my previous hunt report for details of that hunt). We had such a great experience that I vowed to return with Nick when he was old enough.

The season for pronghorn antelope in Texas is short - two weekends and the week in between. While pronghorn are not prevalent in the state (hence the lack of reputation), they are locally abundant on the ranches for which Hunter Ross obtains landowner tags. On both hunts (my hunt with Justin 2 years ago and my hunt this year with Nick) we both took our antelope on the first day. In fact, every hunter in camp this year (and I believe 2 years ago) took his antelope on the first day. We hunted both years with Sid Davis, who is a very experienced and competent guide who knows the ranches well. Sid hunts using a 4x4 "mule" with a high seat. We began seeing pronghorn almost immediately upon unloading the mule from the truck and beginning to explore the ranch we were hunting. We looked over numerous herds, nearly all of which featured a shooter. The only real challenge to this hunt is finding a buck that satisfies your own personal standard of beauty. Pronghorns come in all different shapes and sizes, and if you look long enough, you'll find what you like. The antelope on these ranches are not skittish or spooky and are relatively approachable. Nick and I both shot our antelope at fewer than 150 yards. The ranches are large and sprawling, and Hunter has exclusive rights to hunt them. We did not see any other hunters once we were afield. This area is nestled into the Davis Mountains, and the area holds good populations of mule deer as well as pronghorn. In addition, Desert Safaris offers free range aoudad sheep hunting. Two years ago I took a beautiful shaggy ram that goes just a skosh under 30". This year during antelope season Hunter's hunters took 5 sheep. On the second day of our hunt we hunted javelina (Nick took a nice boar around lunchtime the second day) and we spotted a very large aoudad ram while returning to camp.

Desert Safaris charged $2,950 per hunter in 2006 with a 50% deposit on booking and the balance due 30 days prior to the hunt. This includes three days of hunting including 2x1 guide service, 3 meals each day and accommodations. Meals are provided by a chuckwagon cook and were very good. Accommodations were at a local motel in Fort Davis and were typical - nothing fancy but a lot more comfortable than many hunts I have been on. Hunters are responsible for obtaining their licenses in advance but this is as simple as a toll free phone call. I purchased a "Type 105" general nonresident license for $300.00. Nick needed a "Type 102" license as a youth hunter accompanied by a licensed adult. His license was $6.00. I also needed to carry Nick's hunter safety education card.

Nick and I flew to Midland-Odessa International Airport after Nick finished school on Thursday the 8th. The drive from Midland-Odessa to Fort Davis takes 2 1/2 - 3 hours, so we arrived pretty late Thursday night but had no trouble whatsoever checking in and falling asleep. We got up Friday morning and headed to camp for breakfast at 7:15. After scrambled eggs, bacon, and biscuits and gravy, we piled into Sid's truck and drove out to the ranch where we were to hunt that day. The weather was very pleasant - low 60s in the morning rising to the low 80s in the afternoon - and the sky was dry and clear. While looking over pronghorn at about 10:00 a.m., a large javelina boar trotted out of the brush approximately 25 yards from the mule. We got Nick set up for a hasty shot that proved a little too hasty. Despite our efforts to get the hairy little beast to stop, he would not cooperate and Nick tried to nail him on the move. He missed cleanly and the pig took off like he had been shot out of a cannon. About 45 minutes later we came upon a large herd of pronghorn with two excellent bucks. The rut was on, and two different bucks were engaged in a shoving match approximately 1/4 mile off, but after careful study in Sid's spotting scope we decided that the two in the herd in front of us were just perfect. Sid slowly advanced the mule until we were about 125 yards from the herd. Nick and I both got ready to try a rough "double play." Nick shot first. Unfortunately, his shot went over the pronghorn's back. Fortunately, the buck did not run far. Nick shoots a Remington 700 youth model in .243 Winchester stoked with 100 grain Nosler partitions. He practices at the range a lot and generally shoots well using his bipod. Prior to this hunt he had taken a Whitetail buck, so although he was nervous and excited about the pronghorn, this was not his first hunting experience. However, his rifle is sighted in 1 1/2 inches high at 100 yards, which, with the benefit of hindsight, I can now see was an error. I would not allow a 9 year old to shoot past 150 or 200 yards anyway, so there is no reason to set his rifle up with a 200 yard zero. In any event, he sailed his first shot over the pronghorn's back but immediately redeemed himself with an absolutely textbook second shot. His second shot struck the pronghorn just behind the shoulder exactly half way up the body. The pronghorn ran 50 yards, put his head down, and collapsed. I looked for "my" buck, but he had put on his afterburners and as near as I could tell was no longer even in contact with the ground.

After pictures we loaded the buck into the mule and returned to camp for lunch, where Nick was treated like a hero by the other hunters in camp. Neal Caldwell is a taxidermist who skins and otherwise takes care of trophy preparation in the field. Neal stays in camp and not only will make all the arrangements for taxidermy if you wish, but also handles the processing of the meat for you. His mounts of Justin and my pronghorn and my aoudad from two years ago turned out beautifully and I had no hesitation in turning over this year's trophies to him. After processing, your meat is shipped to you packed in dry ice.

Following lunch we returned to the field and continued looking over pronghorn until I found the one I wanted. Again, we were able to close to a very reasonable distance and I had little difficulty in putting my buck down, though I will admit he has more holes in his hide than I would normally like. As I mentioned earlier, the following day we headed back out in search of javelina and were fortunate to come upon a group of three. We spotted them under a group of shady trees in a canyon. When they spotted us they holed up in thick brush tight up against the canyon wall. Mark Steinke is the National Rifle Association representative for West Texas and had decided to tag along with us that day. He and Nick crawled into the thick stuff while Sid and I waited on the mule in case the javelina flushed. Shortly we heard a single shot. Soon Nick and Mark emerged from the brush toting a fat javelina with good tusks. It was hard to tell who was more excited, Nick or Mark.

All in all this is a great operation. I have hunted all over the United States as well as in Canada and Africa. I have hunted on my own and with guides of all varieties. Hunting with my children has changed my priorities somewhat. I still want high quality animals, but comfort and seasons now play a much bigger role in where and with whom I hunt. I do not take my children out of school for a week to go hunting. That limits us to hunts that can be accomplished during school breaks or over long weekends. I also need hunts that are not terribly physically demanding or dangerous. I have found that antelope in West Texas meets my needs and is one of the best hunts I have found for youngsters. It does not take long, you will take a terrific animal (or two), and the weather is good. Hunter Ross is well-organized and has established an excellent and successful routine. The needs and wants of his hunters are his paramount concern and he has consistently demonstrated his professionalism to me. He is supported by his family, including his father Martin who is always around camp. His guides are all very friendly and knowledgeable. These are good people who can take you hunting in a great area. Now that my boys and I have taken 4 pronghorn, an aoudad and a javelina with Desert Safaris, we plan to move on to mule deer. If you have any questions about my experiences with Desert Safaris or about hunting with children generally, I would be happy to talk to you.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

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DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 5685 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: October 3, 2006 to October 3, 2006
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: West Texas


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Rusty
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Pronghorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 16 inches.
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: I harvested my antelope the first morning of a three day hunt around 11 am. By that time we'd seen approximately 40 antelope, 12 bucks and three shooters.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Good Guide/PH Ability: Fair
Condition of Camp: Good Condition of Equipment: Good
Quality of Food: Excellent Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Airline Service:
Airline Comments:


COSTS
Hunting Fees: Amount: $3100
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $0
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Amount: $150
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: The antelope were very calm around jeeps and humans. It was not a particularly challenging hunt.
Highlights of Hunt: Lots of antelope. 100 percent success rate. Hunter Ross has assembled a good team around him from the guides to the cooks to the taxidermists. Beautiful scenery at the hunting ranches.
Equipment Recommendations: Good binoculars.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? Yes
Why? If you are looking for an easy hunt with a 100 percent success rate with lots of game this is your hunt. If you are looking for a challenging hunt with lots of stalking and a long shot, then this is not your hunt.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Charles Durrett
Contact Information: Tel. 713-443-5355 - #4 Hilshire Grove Lane, Houston, TX 77055 E-mail: cdurrett@uslegalsupport.com
Hunting Experience: Lots of bird hunting - dove/duck/goose primarily. Approximately 8 hunting trips for big game in my lifetime.
Physical Condition: Very good.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
This was my second hunting trip with Desert Safaris and my first antelope hunt. I did quite a bit of reading and watching hunting shows on TV to learn about this animal and how to hunt it. I was surprised that this hunting experience was nothing like what I had researched. The hunting is conducted out of jeeps and trucks with lots of spotting with binoculars. Once an animal is identified, the guide could usually position the vehicle to within 100 - 125 yards for a shot. I saw many antelope during the three hours I was in the field. Surprisingly, the antelope weren't scared of our vehicle. It was an easy hunt. A more experienced hunter might be disappointed in this type of hunt, but I am just starting out with big game hunting and wanted a hunt that had a high degree of success. This hunt was perfect for what I was looking for. Several other hunters at the camp also combined the antelope hunt with an aoudad hunt. This hunt sounded very challenging and more like what I was expecting - spotting, stalking, long shots, etc. The hunters were put up in a modest motel in Fort Davis, Texas and then drove 15 minutes to the camp each morning. The temporary outdoor camp was very basic but comfortable. We ate our meals there and the food was very good. The guides and taxidermists were friendly and knowledgeable and have been working with Hunter Ross for a while. About half of the dozen hunters there had hunted with Desert Safaris previously. I interpreted this as a positive sign. I would suggest hunters combine both an antelope hunt and an aoudad hunt if you were to make the effort to go to West Texas to maximize your trip. The landscape was beautiful with grassy plains and small rocky mountains. I would recommend Desert Safaris as they met my expectations for this hunt.

Subscriber-Written Trip Report On Desert Safaris - TX Hunts

Below is one sample of such a Report which is made available to you FREE of Charge.

DATE AND PLACE OF HUNT
Report ID: 5105 Weapon Used: Rifle How Hunt Was Conducted? Guided
Date of Hunt: October 7, 2005 to October 14, 2005
Place of Hunt: United States - Texas
Hunt Area: Trans-Pecos Chinati Mountains


OUTFITTER, GUIDE AND BOOKING AGENT DETAILS
Outfitter (or safari company): Hunter Ross; Desert Safaris - TX. 2935 Thousand Oaks #6-217; San Antonio; TX; 78247; Tel. 210-264-1745; Email: hunter@desertsafaris.com; Web www.desertsafaris.com
Personal Guide (if any): Hunter Ross
Booking Agent (if any):
Trip Arrangements
(if self-guided):
License Required:


GAME DESCRIPTION
Major Game Animals Taken: Pronghorn - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 17 inches.
Sheep, Aoudad - Availability: Abundant - Trophy Size: 33 and 15 inch bases.
Game Sought But Not Taken:
Game Condition Comments: All game in outstanding shape.


SERVICE RATINGS (excellent, good, fair or poor)
Quality of Outfit: Excellent Guide/PH Ability: Excellent
Condition of Camp: Excellent Condition of Equipment: Excellent
Quality of Food: Good Trophy Care: Excellent
Name of Airline: Airline Service: Good
Airline Comments: Drove.


COSTS
Hunting Fees: $3,500 aoudad and $3,000 pronghorn. Amount: $6500
Trophy Fees: Amount: $0
Permits/Licenses: Amount: $65
Commercial Airfares: Amount: $0
Charter Airfares: Amount: $0
Other Costs: Gas Amount: $120
Total: $0


SUMMARY REMARKS
Problems of Hunt: None.
Highlights of Hunt: Taking a great 17 inch pronghorn which just misses the book, along with a World Class free range aoudad ram whick could rank in the top 40 in the world.
Equipment Recommendations: Great, comfortable hiking boots with good ankle support. Be in good shape. It's a real sheep hunt. The Chinati's are very rough and rise to 7800 feet.
Would You Recommend This Hunt to a Friend? Yes
Why? Hunter ross works very hard for his clients and produces some fantastic trophies.


HUNTER INFORMATION
Hunter Name: Terrell McCombs
Contact Information: Tel. 210-821-6523 - 37 Westeim Circle, San Antonio, TX 78230 E-mail: tmccombs@mccombshq.com
Hunting Experience: Alaska, Canada, Mexico, Tanzania, Botswana, all western states, Texas. I've hunted hard for 35 years.
Physical Condition: Good.


IMPORTANT NOTES (actions taken if hunter unhappy with hunt)
Notified Outfitter? Notified Personal Guide? Notified Booking Agent?
Seeking any kind of restitution or other settlement from agent, outfitter or guide?
If Seeking Restitution, What is Sought?


ADDITIONAL HUNTER COMMENTS AND/OR OUTFITTER/BOOKING AGENT REBUTTAL
This is a great, under valued hunt for the trophy quality and the quality of the outfitter. The Chinati Mountains, nestled just east of Presidio and about 15 miles north of Mexico, are as rough as any mountains in North America. Take a flat shooting rifle and be in shape. I honestly think a new SCI world's record aoudad awaits some lucky hunter in that range. We saw rams that had never seen a man.



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